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| BleepBloop | 12-17-2019 02:09 PM |
Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
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Originally Posted by Wesker
(Post 1055704)
| Eh, that argument is sorta weak because:
"No waiver
Our failure to act with respect to a breach of any of your obligations under this user agreement by you or others does not waive our right to act with respect to subsequent or similar breaches."
Does this counter the above argument properly? What you do think? |
| maxcarnage | 12-17-2019 02:41 PM |
Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
Hi all.
Details: Lost ~$11k USD, another 2k USD in another account (all under my real name SSN etc) going under the 180 day thing
- Day 178, money is withdrawn. AUP
- E-mails, calls all sorts of nonsense. Twitter. No luck
Business: Tutoring Marketplace. Digital services, some legitimately doing tutoring, some people doing homework. Does not fall into AUP, unethical but not an illegal business.
Reading around, people are saying send Demand Letter. Has anyone tried doing this at all? Has anyone successfully gotten their funds back? I remember reading somewhere someone did with a demand letter, but want to know whether i'm just wasting my time.
My accounts are legit, with my name and my wife's name and its appropriate SSN. |
Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
Quote:
Originally Posted by maxcarnage
(Post 1055853)
Hi all.
Details: Lost ~$11k USD, another 2k USD in another account (all under my real name SSN etc) going under the 180 day thing
- Day 178, money is withdrawn. AUP
- E-mails, calls all sorts of nonsense. Twitter. No luck
Business: Tutoring Marketplace. Digital services, some legitimately doing tutoring, some people doing homework. Does not fall into AUP, unethical but not an illegal business.
Reading around, people are saying send Demand Letter. Has anyone tried doing this at all? Has anyone successfully gotten their funds back? I remember reading somewhere someone did with a demand letter, but want to know whether i'm just wasting my time.
My accounts are legit, with my name and my wife's name and its appropriate SSN.
| I know how frustrating it is, same happened to me and people still accused me of scam lol. You will get your money back as long as you take legal action, you must also claim psychological damages for the 180 days and withdrawal after day 178, failure to give explanations for the amounts charged without your authorization is illegal anywhere in the world.
I lost 2k, I might hire a cheap lawyer, not for the money but for what they did. Because if I do the same I am sure I will get in prison so what about them? No matter what’s stated in the tos, that does not make it legal. This criminal company needs to get down, I am really tired waiting that alternative that has yet to come out. We use PayPal because we have to and they are abusing that fact. |
| Icykid298 | 12-17-2019 06:29 PM |
Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
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Originally Posted by Wesker
(Post 1054752)
I found something that maybe related to why PayPal is doing this:
- These fines only seem to be affecting accounts that are permanently limited. If your account is temporarily limited requiring IDs or other reasons, then it doesn't seem to be affecting those type of accounts.
- When you call PayPal, the automated service will now tell you that you're permanently limited and no longer allowed to use PayPal. This was different from before as I remember calling them 5-6 months ago and it never did this.
My speculation here is PayPal has changed the process inside their company over the last 90 or so days that if you're a seller who has been permanently limited, they are now taking all 100% your funds by default and fining you for damages. They never inform you they're doing this and aren't responding back to anyone which is why not a single person to date has been able to get an answer from PayPal why they did this. It seems it is up to us to get a lawyer and resolve it that way.
| Anything else? |
Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
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Originally Posted by tinsoldier
(Post 1055878)
You’re using the UK flag. Something tells me you’re not from the UK. :doh::doh:
| I am a random guy |
| blitz14 | 12-17-2019 09:01 PM |
Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
PayPal just did the same thing to me. Waited 180 days and on the 178th day they transfer all the funds (70k) to themselves for "Damages". The account was 100% the violation was too many disputes within a period of time. (the product I was selling was for preorder and some customers decided to file disputes instead of waiting). Nonetheless, all customers either received their product or where refunded.
Now I'm left here without my money, plus all the shipping and manufacturing costs. Sat on the phone with them and was told there's nothing I can do but send a letter to their San Jose corporate office. This happened to my brothers account about 2 years ago (shut down for excess of chargebacks) and the money was sent back after the 180 days. |
| nodeal | 12-17-2019 10:21 PM |
Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
I am curious if this AUP problem happens when:
1) PP limits your account
2) You then try to submit creative documents to remove limitation
3) PP refuses your documents and permanently limits your account
4) Right before 180 days is up they take your money citing an AUP violation
I read this is only happening to accounts that have the permanent limitation? I'd be curious to know if all of you who have had this issue have tried to upload documents and had pp permanently limit your account after? |
| Wesker | 12-17-2019 10:33 PM |
Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
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Originally Posted by nodeal
(Post 1055907)
I am curious if this AUP problem happens when:
1) PP limits your account
2) You then try to submit creative documents to remove limitation
3) PP refuses your documents and permanently limits your account
4) Right before 180 days is up they take your money citing an AUP violation
I read this is only happening to accounts that have the permanent limitation?
| I didnt do #2, #3 or #4. When you're perma limited, PayPal doesn't ask for documents. They just make it official that your account is closed. Also mine were taken well after 315 days. |
| Wesker | 12-17-2019 10:39 PM |
Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
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Originally Posted by Icykid298
(Post 1055883)
Anything else?
| Nothing else right now. We're waiting to hear back from Ashley and the others who are filing demands letters. Once we hear back from them which may not be until 2020, we will know better how to proceed here. |
| Wesker | 12-17-2019 10:42 PM |
Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
Quote:
Originally Posted by maxcarnage
(Post 1055853)
Reading around, people are saying send Demand Letter. Has anyone tried doing this at all?
| These are new fines issued over the past 90 days. People are in the process of filing and receiving responses on their demand letters. Quote:
Originally Posted by maxcarnage
(Post 1055853)
Has anyone successfully gotten their funds back?
| No. Quote:
Originally Posted by maxcarnage
(Post 1055853)
I remember reading somewhere someone did with a demand letter, but want to know whether i'm just wasting my time.
| They likely won't hear back from PayPal until 2020. |
| Wesker | 12-18-2019 12:26 AM |
Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
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Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
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Originally Posted by Wesker
(Post 1055931)
| Always post something like "Warning: Paypal link" before these kind of links by the way. |
| himaster | 12-18-2019 05:07 AM |
Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
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Originally Posted by Wesker
(Post 1055820)
It's in the email and memo under the transaction.
| What email? The limitation email? |
Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesker
(Post 1055912)
Nothing else right now. We're waiting to hear back from Ashley and the others who are filing demands letters. Once we hear back from them which may not be until 2020, we will know better how to proceed here.
| I read in they US they will ignore unless it’s a subpoena.
Make sure all of you take immediate legal action. We can not let these criminals get away with it. |
| Wesker | 12-18-2019 07:31 AM |
Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
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Originally Posted by himaster
(Post 1055955)
What email? The limitation email?
| Here is the email from PayPal I received Quote:
We've permanently limited your account
After a recent review of your account activity, we've determined you are in violation of PayPal's Acceptable Use Policy. As a result, we've permanently limited your account.
Please remove all references to PayPal from your website(s) and/or auction(s). This includes not only removing PayPal as a payment option, but also the PayPal logo and PayPal shopping cart.
Per the User Agreement, when PayPal permanently limits an account due to an Acceptable Use Policy violation, any funds on your account are held for 180 days. After 180 days, if applicable, we'll contact you with information on how to withdraw any money in your PayPal account.
Should any chargebacks result in your account balance falling below zero, then you'll also need to settle the amount owed to PayPal to avoid further action.
You can find the complete PayPal Acceptable Use Policy by clicking Legal at the bottom of any PayPal page.
| As you can see, they clearly mentioned I broke their Acceptable Use Policy. Since I see hundreds of different items and services, it's not clear what I broke as nothing specific in their policies are the items I sold through PayPal. I couldn't get an answer from them what specifically I did wrong without a subpoena.
The 2nd message I received I broke their AUP policy is in the paypal transaction receipt of them transferring all 100% funds out of our paypal accounts. |
| Wesker | 12-18-2019 07:42 AM |
Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
Quote:
Originally Posted by MKT
(Post 1055956)
I read in they US they will ignore unless it’s a subpoena.
Make sure all of you take immediate legal action. We can not let these criminals get away with it.
| Currently filing a demand letter is step #1 everyone should take. If they're unable to assist us after step #1, pre-arbitration is imminent.
For me, I am on a waiting game here waiting to hear back from the others on their demand letters since there is so much money on the line. |
| sdfghjhgfds | 12-18-2019 01:43 PM |
Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
I had been patiently waiting for 180days to get my money back across three accounts.
Which I found out were permanently banned due to me violating AUP for selling pharmaceutical products. Even though all I sell is skincare products on my website. So no violation as far as I can see.
Had a BBB complaint and spoke to head office, all advised would get money back after 180days.
turns out today, a total of 15k across three accounts have all been transferred to Paypals bank. So stolen.
This is despite there being no chargebacks or any damages at all. |
Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesker
(Post 1055986)
Currently filing a demand letter is step #1 everyone should take. If they're unable to assist us after step #1, pre-arbitration is imminent.
For me, I am on a waiting game here waiting to hear back from the others on their demand letters since there is so much money on the line.
| I wouldn't wait, I might do a demand but not sure as it's just 2k. I would rather donate it to a charity than let these criminals steal it as the account along activity was 101% legitimate - I will see. |
| Wesker | 12-18-2019 06:12 PM |
Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
Quote:
Originally Posted by MKT
(Post 1056129)
I wouldn't wait, I might do a demand but not sure as it's just 2k. I would rather donate it to a charity than let these criminals steal it as the account along activity was 101% legitimate - I will see.
| PayPal closed my account that was used just to send payments. No disputes, no sales, just a buyer. No AUP violation was done on this account, just that my name was associated with these other accounts (family related). No explanations why, no options to appeal. Then they took the funds out of my account without any notice or explanation.
Yes PayPal is shady and corrupt. |
| Wesker | 12-18-2019 06:35 PM |
Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
Quote:
Originally Posted by MKT
(Post 1056129)
account along activity was 101% legitimate - I will see.
| This is the problem here. Our accounts were legit. They limited them. I now fully understand why people use stealth paypal accounts now. |
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