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| Wesker | 12-16-2019 03:12 AM | Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation Quote:
Originally Posted by MKT
(Post 1055426)
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| Wesker | 12-16-2019 03:13 AM | Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation Quote:
Originally Posted by MKT
(Post 1055426)
Hi everyone. I was researching to see if I was the only one and came across this thread. After 180 mark I still couldn’t withdraw money even after calling multiple times, until last sunday when I made the last call and they decided to steal my money instead of fixing the issue to let me add an bank account to withdraw my money.
I am an European Citizen but the account was registered under a third word country using legit details and selling legitimate digital services.
See the screenshot below: https://i.imgur.com/0WYZci7_d.jpg | Send us more information on what happened. How much did you lose? Where is this 3rd world country your account is based in? Where are you located? Were you permanently limited from PayPal? If so, what were you selling? |
Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation Quote:
Originally Posted by MKT
(Post 1055426)
Hi everyone. I was researching to see if I was the only one and came across this thread. After 180 mark I still couldn’t withdraw money even after calling multiple times, until last sunday when I made the last call and they decided to steal my money instead of fixing the issue to let me add an bank account to withdraw my money.
I am an European Citizen but the account was registered under a third word country using legit details and selling legitimate digital services.
See the screenshot below: https://i.imgur.com/0WYZci7_d.jpg | Welcome to the forum - all the best as you master stealth :thumb: |
| Wesker | 12-16-2019 05:55 AM | Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation Quote:
Originally Posted by tinsoldier
(Post 1055545)
Welcome to the forum.
You will never see this money, learn from your mistakes and start again. Lost of great info here to reduce the chances of it happening again. | If the information is bogus, then most likely yes. You can't even make a valid claim against PayPal if the information on the account doesn't even match your information. |
| Ashley1010 | 12-16-2019 11:53 AM | Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation Just wanted to give an update on my case I showed above. I spoke with my lawyer who is very connected- she is one of the best here in Mass. I know everyone is in different places but she informed me my demand letter and case we are going to send and fight for will be in regards to this law:
“The Massachusetts Consumer Protection Law
Massachusetts has a statute that specifically enables the Attorney General and consumers to take legal action against unfair or deceptive conduct in the marketplace, called Massachusetts Consumer Protection law, Massachusetts General Laws Chapter 93A.
What violates the Consumer Protection Law?
Many consumers are unaware of the rights they are entitled to under the Massachusetts Consumer Protection law, Massachusetts General Laws Chapter 93A. Likewise, many merchants may not fully understand their responsibilities under this law.
The law does not define any specific business actions that violate the law; rather it states that “unfair or deceptive practices” are illegal. Although each case is judged on its own merits, some examples of unfair or deceptive practices that might fall under Chapter 93A would be when:
A business fails to tell you relevant information regarding your product or service or misleads you in any way.“
She is in the process of writing up a demand letter and proceeding with this violation that they mislead me to believe I would get my money after 180 days and then withdrawing a week before was deceptive and in MA against this law.
Will send another update when I get one. In the meantime I would check and see if your state has any laws regarding this and it can’t hurt to send a demand letter to try and get some answers since I still have yet to receive any reply from any of their departments. |
| sam irsh | 12-16-2019 12:57 PM | Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation paypal stole my money 26.000$ usd after i got limited and waited for 180 days i logged in to found that my funds is 0.00 and money was transfer to paypal under the rerason
PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
called them and says no funds 26thousand isgone |
| BleepBloop | 12-16-2019 01:22 PM | Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation When you guys first received your notice for the permanent limitation, does it say, "Per the PayPal User Agreement, which you read and accepted when you created
your account, we reserve the right to permanently limit an account due to
an Acceptable Use Policy violation. We may hold any available balance in
your PayPal account for up to 180 days. In addition, you may be liable for
any amount of damages PayPal incurs for each violation of the Acceptable
Use Policy."
Direct your attention to the last sentence. |
| sam irsh | 12-16-2019 01:58 PM | Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation this happend to me they took 26,000 $ im calling them nothing happen |
Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation Quote:
Originally Posted by BleepBloop
(Post 1055634)
When you guys first received your notice for the permanent limitation, does it say, "Per the PayPal User Agreement, which you read and accepted when you created
your account, we reserve the right to permanently limit an account due to
an Acceptable Use Policy violation. We may hold any available balance in
your PayPal account for up to 180 days. In addition, you may be liable for
any amount of damages PayPal incurs for each violation of the Acceptable
Use Policy."
Direct your attention to the last sentence. | They can write anything in their TOS, but that does not make it legal. Imagine your bank taking your money away from your account because they “think/consider” you have damaged them or a contract between I and you that would make me charge you whenever I want $5000 whenever I felt you offended me.
A TOS is not a law. The law is a completely different thing and they have to prove it in court.
They are obvious criminals and only those blind who have not made any money will not see it, because when you start doing big numbers that’s when this happens and that’s exactly why this forum “exists” I guess. We are trying to survive in a world where if someone does the same as PayPal gets 5 years prison sentence or in prison for simply stealing a wallet while these entities are getting away with millions from people who have worked hard for their funds. |
| Wesker | 12-16-2019 07:19 PM | Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation |
| Wesker | 12-16-2019 07:22 PM | Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashley1010
(Post 1055621)
Just wanted to give an update on my case I showed above. I spoke with my lawyer who is very connected- she is one of the best here in Mass. I know everyone is in different places but she informed me my demand letter and case we are going to send and fight for will be in regards to this law:
“The Massachusetts Consumer Protection Law
Massachusetts has a statute that specifically enables the Attorney General and consumers to take legal action against unfair or deceptive conduct in the marketplace, called Massachusetts Consumer Protection law, Massachusetts General Laws Chapter 93A.
What violates the Consumer Protection Law?
Many consumers are unaware of the rights they are entitled to under the Massachusetts Consumer Protection law, Massachusetts General Laws Chapter 93A. Likewise, many merchants may not fully understand their responsibilities under this law.
The law does not define any specific business actions that violate the law; rather it states that “unfair or deceptive practices” are illegal. Although each case is judged on its own merits, some examples of unfair or deceptive practices that might fall under Chapter 93A would be when:
A business fails to tell you relevant information regarding your product or service or misleads you in any way.“
She is in the process of writing up a demand letter and proceeding with this violation that they mislead me to believe I would get my money after 180 days and then withdrawing a week before was deceptive and in MA against this law.
Will send another update when I get one. In the meantime I would check and see if your state has any laws regarding this and it can’t hurt to send a demand letter to try and get some answers since I still have yet to receive any reply from any of their departments. | Thank you for the update. Please keep sharing more information when you get it as this is really useful to others who are victims of paypals greed here and will hopefully help others who also file demands to PayPal. |
| Wesker | 12-16-2019 07:27 PM | Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation Quote:
Originally Posted by BleepBloop
(Post 1055634)
When you guys first received your notice for the permanent limitation, does it say, "Per the PayPal User Agreement, which you read and accepted when you created
your account, we reserve the right to permanently limit an account due to
an Acceptable Use Policy violation. We may hold any available balance in
your PayPal account for up to 180 days. In addition, you may be liable for
any amount of damages PayPal incurs for each violation of the Acceptable
Use Policy."
Direct your attention to the last sentence. | This is all I received from PayPal: Quote:
We've permanently limited your account
After a recent review of your account activity, we've determined you are in violation of PayPal's Acceptable Use Policy. As a result, we've permanently limited your account.
Please remove all references to PayPal from your website(s) and/or auction(s). This includes not only removing PayPal as a payment option, but also the PayPal logo and PayPal shopping cart.
Per the User Agreement, when PayPal permanently limits an account due to an Acceptable Use Policy violation, any funds on your account are held for 180 days. After 180 days, if applicable, we'll contact you with information on how to withdraw any money in your PayPal account.
Should any chargebacks result in your account balance falling below zero, then you'll also need to settle the amount owed to PayPal to avoid further action.
You can find the complete PayPal Acceptable Use Policy by clicking Legal at the bottom of any PayPal page. | I then tried to appeal at aup@paypal.com and receive no responses back. I tried to call and they said we will not tell you our decision or any information unless you file a subpoena. |
| vinijchai | 12-16-2019 08:12 PM | Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation Quote:
Originally Posted by BleepBloop
(Post 1055634)
When you guys first received your notice for the permanent limitation, does it say, "Per the PayPal User Agreement, which you read and accepted when you created
your account, we reserve the right to permanently limit an account due to
an Acceptable Use Policy violation. We may hold any available balance in
your PayPal account for up to 180 days. In addition, you may be liable for
any amount of damages PayPal incurs for each violation of the Acceptable
Use Policy."
Direct your attention to the last sentence. | Here's what I received.
You can no longer do business with PayPal.
After a review, we decided to permanently limit your account as we found potential risk associated with it. You’ll not be able to conduct any further business using PayPal.
If you have money in your PayPal balance, we’ll hold it for up to 180 days. After that period, we’ll email you with information on how to access your funds.
We regret any inconvenience this may cause. |
| Wesker | 12-16-2019 08:38 PM | Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation Quote:
Originally Posted by vinijchai
(Post 1055677)
Here's what I received.
You can no longer do business with PayPal.
After a review, we decided to permanently limit your account as we found potential risk associated with it. You’ll not be able to conduct any further business using PayPal.
If you have money in your PayPal balance, we’ll hold it for up to 180 days. After that period, we’ll email you with information on how to access your funds.
We regret any inconvenience this may cause. | This is the message you see inside PayPal Resolution Center. This is also identical to my issue.
PayPal is taking funds from only permanently limited accounts it seems. |
| BleepBloop | 12-16-2019 09:18 PM | Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation Just want to make sure that you weren't given the heads up that these fines where going to go down ahead of time; wasn't in any of the limitation communication in fine print or other. As it can play into the "wasn't notified of..." argument. I have observed PayPal in action and they have info. Times, amount and dates. It's thrilling but scary to see and they can shut people down with this info alone with no comeback so you need to be sure you have a comeback. They can see when you withdraw, when you've read their emails. People flap gums accusing PayPal of fraud, that they didn't get a refund or demanding a refund of some sort but PayPal will outline out why you ain't get no refund for you in technicolor. You think I'm joking. I swear before the source in the heaven. Make sure you ain't got now skeleton hidden somewhere. Go through that User Agreement, not just AUP, with a fine tooth comb to find anything that can be vulnerable to your case. |
Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesker
(Post 1055682)
This is the message you see inside PayPal Resolution Center. This is also identical to my issue.
PayPal is taking funds from only permanently limited accounts it seems. | 180 days - how many have passed for you? |
| Wesker | 12-16-2019 10:21 PM | Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation Quote:
Originally Posted by rsot
(Post 1055690)
180 days - how many have passed for you? | - I received a couple emails letting me know I could withdraw the funds from some of our accounts. After looking at this now, oddly enough I didn't receive any updates on some of the accounts I could withdraw them.
- I received emails on all accounts that I can withdraw them within 180 days when the accounts were limited
- I received some status update emails in between letting me know my funds would be available in the near future.
330+ days was when I attempted to login and withdrawal the funds. I made the mistake of not withdrawing the funds right away immediately after the 180 day mark after they should have become available. As I explained in the earlier pages of this thread, I have been too occupied with work that my plan was to cashout those funds at the end of the year. I needed to call PayPal, add a new bank account, etc and I didn't have any available time until now.
I had a couple accounts permanently limited because they were linked. Even though they were different business doing different services, because they were business accounts and linked to the same family group (my wife etc), paypal limited them all. Obviously we didn't anticipate PayPal would limit all these accounts much less 1. One day we just received an email saying 1 account is limited and then a couple hours later all our business accounts were limited.
One paypal account for example that was limited was being used just to make payments, no actual sales and they limited that account and took all the funds out of that account even though there was no actual sales in that account to actually breach the AUP policy. The funds were uploading via bank account which we then used to pay our contractors. I assume because they were "linked", PayPal just decided to absorb all the funds out of all accounts.
Here is one email I received on one of the accounts that I was eligible to receive funds: Quote:
Your PayPal funds are now eligible for withdrawal.
You may transfer the funds directly to your bank account via online bank transfer or you may request a check from PayPal. Please let us know how you would like to receive the funds by logging in to your account.
As a reminder, access to your account will remain limited.
While access to your account is limited, you may:
* place logos into your auction listings or on your website
* update your account information
* withdraw funds from your account
You may not:
* send or request money
* receive payments
* add funds to your account
* close your account
Thank you for using PayPal.
Sincerely,
The PayPal Team
| Now when I login to PayPal, you see a new transaction entry, PayPal transferring the funds to their own PayPal Accounts and a $0 balance. Quote:
PayPal Posting;Payment to:Paypal;PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
| There is no other information other than that Memo and nothing in the resolution center. |
| Wesker | 12-16-2019 10:30 PM | Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation Quote:
Originally Posted by BleepBloop
(Post 1055687)
Just want to make sure that you weren't given the heads up that these fines where going to go down ahead of time; wasn't in any of the limitation communication in fine print or other. As it can play into the "wasn't notified of..." argument. I have observed PayPal in action and they have info. Times, amount and dates. It's thrilling but scary to see and they can shut people down with this info alone with no comeback so you need to be sure you have a comeback. They can see when you withdraw, when you've read their emails. People flap gums accusing PayPal of fraud, that they didn't get a refund or demanding a refund of some sort but PayPal will outline out why you ain't get no refund for you in technicolor. You think I'm joking. I swear before the source in the heaven. Make sure you ain't got now skeleton hidden somewhere. Go through that User Agreement, not just AUP, with a fine tooth comb to find anything that can be vulnerable to your case. | One argument we have is this: https://i.imgur.com/WwDy4mh.jpg
They started doing this on or around September 2019 and in bulk. |
| ALOHA | 12-17-2019 08:49 AM | Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation Quote:
Originally Posted by Messy52312
(Post 1054945)
I currently have 4 lawyers reviewing PayPals acceptable use policy and 2 of them are American and the other 2 are Canadian. I have called police stations and they tell me they cant help me because this is a civil matter. I sent PayPal a demand letter last month and they told me i need to send them a subpoena so tha'ts exactly what I am going to do.
So basically once my lawyers get back to me sometime this week. I will begin the process of taking PayPal to arbitration. The amount of money I have lost is absurd and I will not back down to PayPal.
I feel I have a very strong case against them as these fines are insane and I'm hoping my lawyers do not charge me hour and we work out some sort of contingency deal as the amount of money I have lost would be worth a contingency deal to a lawyer.
I will try to keep people here updated but one thing i do know is. Dont bother calling PayPal support as they have no way to get your money back. When I speak to supervisors at PayPal they are shocked at how much money I lost and they dont even know whats going on or how its possible for them to fine us.
Dont bother contacting PayPal through the better business bureau because they are just going to link you to the 2500 USD or CAD AUP Violation policy. I have done every free method of recovering my money even showing up to PayPals head quarters in Canada and trying to get into there office which I was escorted out of the building for.
Another thing I should mention is my PayPal accounts are all under my real information. If you have this issue and were using a stealth account then I have no clue how your going to take them to arbitration.
Everything I have done has resulted to me having to take them to arbitration which I am 100 percent going to do. I have many American lawyers jumping at my case and my phone is ringing like crazy because of it. The Canadian lawyers are not as excited because they want hourly rates compared to American lawyers who like contingency deals.
Hopefully my post helps people:) |
I just only be here and waiting good news from you.
i couldn't do anything :( |
| himaster | 12-17-2019 08:56 AM | Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesker
(Post 1055682)
This is the message you see inside PayPal Resolution Center. This is also identical to my issue.
PayPal is taking funds from only permanently limited accounts it seems. | That message is exactly identical for almost every permanently limited accounts
If you also see that on the Resolution Center, then my questions is where do you see the term "Acceptable User Policy"?
On email or somewhere else?
I have many permanently limited accounts but I haven't seen the term "Acceptable User Policy" on all of the emails, notification or resolution center on all of that account.
Not sure if that's the sign... |
| Wesker | 12-17-2019 11:17 AM | Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation Quote:
Originally Posted by himaster
(Post 1055783)
That message is exactly identical for almost every permanently limited accounts
If you also see that on the Resolution Center, then my questions is where do you see the term "Acceptable User Policy"?
On email or somewhere else?
I have many permanently limited accounts but I haven't seen the term "Acceptable User Policy" on all of the emails, notification or resolution center on all of that account.
Not sure if that's the sign... | It's in the email and memo under the transaction. | | All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:08 PM. | |
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