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raseiro 02-11-2020 09:22 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Would be useful if someone could share a demand letter, there are some examples online but a more specific one would be helpful.

Vivandoencolor 02-11-2020 10:59 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
has anyone did anything yet? or is it every one for themselves here?

superMan111 02-11-2020 07:01 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
no one interested (:

XPinksDude826 02-13-2020 08:13 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
I have retained a Candida lawyer. I am in the process of handing them all my paypal records so that they can write a letter to PayPal on my behalf. But yes I have officially retained a lawyer.

Wesker 02-14-2020 09:57 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tinsoldier (Post 1069275)
Have you actually told your lawyer that you were indeed acting illegally?

What did he specifically do that is "illegal"?

Vivandoencolor 02-14-2020 12:33 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
does breaking paypal terms = illegal?

sorry i dont understand law in your country...

is lying to a corperation the same as lying to the goverment in the usa?

Wesker 02-14-2020 01:11 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vivandoencolor (Post 1069392)
does breaking paypal terms = illegal?

That's a civil dispute / breach of agreement. Illegal typically means criminal disputes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vivandoencolor (Post 1069392)
sorry i dont understand law in your country...

is lying to a corperation the same as lying to the goverment in the usa?

It depends. I would have to hear specifically what you lied about to know if that would be considered illegal.

Wesker 02-14-2020 01:12 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tinsoldier (Post 1069371)
Read his previous posts...

https://www.aspkin.com/forums/search...archid=3599597

Not seeing anything here that even indicates what he did.

Wesker 02-14-2020 08:16 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tinsoldier (Post 1069404)
Look harder, it's there.

I have.

Why not just tell me?

mine 02-15-2020 03:13 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Gaining money through deception is indeed illegal.

Wesker 02-15-2020 05:23 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tinsoldier (Post 1069511)
If you can't see it then clearly you're never going to accept why most of those moaning here will never see their funds, and rightly so. You're the one championing their cause yet you can't even spot those who are clearly and deliberately breaking paypals AUP.

It is so obvious that it beggars belief that you can't find it for yourself.

Obviously I cannot find it because you opted to use the word "illegal" which by definition means: "contrary to or forbidden by law, especially criminal law.

There is a big difference between criminal related matters and what messy did. PayPal believed that Messy violated their Acceptable Use Policy selling services that PayPal doesn't support. PayPal believes then by right they have the right to fine any account $2,500 per transaction which is a civil dispute. Now people on here who created stealth paypal accounts that maybe considered criminal as you used bogus information to setup a PayPal Account to mislead your buyers/sellers.

rsot 02-15-2020 06:06 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Messy52312 (Post 1069236)
I have retained a Candida lawyer. I am in the process of handing them all my paypal records so that they can write a letter to PayPal on my behalf. But yes I have officially retained a lawyer.

Best of luck :) Candida - interesting

suepp 02-16-2020 05:17 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Wesker did you setup a facebook group ? this needs a place where those who are actually interested in helping each other can get together .in the future there will be many so act now to prepare for future.it may take years .btw i have never made or used a stealth account but i know this is the place to go if you need one

superMan111 02-17-2020 12:58 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
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Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
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XPinksDude826 02-18-2020 09:56 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
I already spoke to the game company and they said what I do is not illegal. Although they told me they do not like me. Also if a company or someone has a problem with products your selling through your Paypal account. You usually receive a dmca report through PayPal from the company or person who is upset. Also it doesn't really matter because clearly people here are being fined for other products like clothes or watever. This is solely Paypal doing this at their own discretion regardless for what your selling.

I have also been reading PayPals policy every night for the past week. I have found lots of new things for example:

Paypal has this hidden in the Canadian and USA Policy

For any claim (excluding claims for injunctive or other equitable relief) where the total amount of the award sought is less than $10,000 Canadian Dollars, you may elect to resolve the dispute in a cost effective manner through binding non-appearance-based arbitration. If you elect arbitration, you will initiate such arbitration through an established alternative dispute resolution (“ADR”) provider mutually agreed upon by you and us. The ADR provider and the parties must comply with the following rules: (a) the arbitration shall be conducted by telephone, online and/or be solely based on written submissions, the specific manner shall be chosen by you; (b) the arbitration shall not involve any personal appearance by the parties or witnesses unless otherwise mutually agreed by the parties; and (c) any judgment on the award rendered by the arbitrator may be entered in any court of competent jurisdiction.


However in the USA policy it says this but it doesnt say it anywhere in the Canadian Policy:

Payment of all filing, administration, and arbitrator fees will be governed by the AAA's rules, unless otherwise stated in this Agreement to Arbitrate. If the value of the relief sought is $10,000 or less, at your request, PayPal will pay all filing, administration, and arbitrator fees associated with the arbitration. Any request for payment of fees by PayPal should be submitted by mail to the AAA along with your Demand for Arbitration and PayPal will make arrangements to pay all necessary fees directly to the AAA. If the value of the relief sought is more than $10,000 and you are able to demonstrate that the costs of accessing arbitration will be prohibitive as compared to the costs of accessing a court for purposes of pursuing litigation on an individual basis, PayPal will pay as much of the filing, administration, and arbitrator fees as the arbitrator(s) deem necessary to prevent the cost of accessing the arbitration from being prohibitive. In the event the arbitrator(s) determine the claim(s) you assert in the arbitration to be frivolous, you agree to reimburse PayPal for all fees associated with the arbitration paid by PayPal on your behalf that you otherwise would be obligated to pay under the AAA's rules.

For Canada Paypal does not say anything about a resolution for Canadians to go after them for over $10,000 dollars.


PayPal Legal Office (USA WHICH WE ALL KNOW THEIR ADDRESS)
2211 North First Street
San Jose, CA
95131


PayPal Legal Office (CANADA OFFICE)

11.6. Contracting Entity. “PayPal,” “we,” or “us” in this Agreement means PayPal Canada Co., a Nova Scotia corporation, whose principal place of business MaRS Centre, West Tower, 661 University Avenue, Suite 506, Toronto, ON M5G 1M1.

11.7. Notices. Any notices required by this Agreement will be provided to you by the Platform on our behalf. You agree that electronic notices and disclosures have the same meaning and effect as if we had provided you with a paper copy. Any notices to PayPal shall be considered valid only if sent by postal mail to PayPal Canada Co.., Attn: Legal Department, MaRS Centre, West Tower, 661 University Avenue, Suite 506, Toronto, ON M5G 1M1.



For Canadians we need to go through the office above to keep it within Canada. (Hopefully this helps any other Canadians who are sending letters to the san jose office.)


Anyways I have sent my paper work to my lawyer including pictures of each fine and any information associated with my PayPal account. Me and my friend are both sharing the retainer fee and have paid it already. We are considered 1 case since we both are friends in real life and sold the exact same thing so we formed a joint case.

My lawyer thinks PayPal will settle an amount thats returned to me before we have to escalate it any further. However I told her I disagree and would think that we will move to arbitration and I either get a yes or no answer if my money should be returned or not.

PayPal is not the only company who has took peoples money and forced arbitration



A quick google search about amazon sellers being locked out of there accounts with money on them or banned from amazon with a lot of money in there accounts will show you many people who have gone through this arbitration process but with amazon. Majority of these people won or settled before the Arbitration takes place. A lot of these people were selling counterfeit goods on Amazon too.

inp 02-23-2020 03:47 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashley1010 (Post 1057134)
If the response from the demand letter doesn’t come with resolution I am debating going to the media to investigate this. I’ll be joining anyone who is also fighting and will check for others updates daily.

Any News Ashley ?

Three days ago my 7.8K taken away under AUP. It was a Philippine account which used to sell just electronic gadgets for a long time. I had a rolling reserve on that account and that's the reason 7.8k was there. It was perma limited and 178 days gone so far.

That account was under real person, real name, real bank, and verified about 2 years ago. Just sold normal unbranded electronic gadgets. But had high refund ratio and that was the reason to perma limit.

I got perma limitations on my EU stealth accounts but pp never taken those funds, I was able to withdraw after 180 days. Before anybody asks..... There's no way those Philippine accounts get linked to my other accounts. Because that's completely run there in the Philippine and never use to login from here.

zhangdev 02-24-2020 08:17 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Paypal practically never protects sellers, who pay their fees on every transaction. They only protect their interests and the buyer, the percentage of buyers who can win a dispute is always higher than the seller, they can lock any seller account for 180 days and do not want to hear explanations, now they add a new AUP that can take away all the money in the seller's account. This is too dangerous, we should look for a better new payment channel, better protect us, we are sellers but we have to pay them, even a lot. I sell products priced at only $ 1, I pay paypal $ 0.33 / per transaction, that's 33%, but whenever they like, they will lock my account. Is crazy


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