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Hi all,

I know people will probably slate me for this however... I do sell vero, now I am selling on a FULL STEALTH account.

Someone from the brand I am selling has bought something from me and I have NOT realised that that were from that company until after I have sent it.

What is the next thing that happens, I'm not too worried as im completely stealth however my account will probably just go down right?

However, this person from this particular brand has bought off other people before as they have been left feedback and they have clearly sold ⊗⊗⊗⊗ goods but their account is standing.

Thanks

Being stealth won't protect you. If they want to come after you - they will.

I could have sworn I read in one of your posts that you didnt sell vero any more after you got a MC019 on one of your accounts for a phone case?

So why wouldn't stealth protect me? Defeats the whole idea of stealth right?

Stealth only hides your true identity from e/b & p/p.

Everything behind stealth i.e. bank accounts & e/pay vcc's is your real info and you can be traced from this if the right authorities are involved e.g. police, trading standards, HMRC.

If the rights owner decides to take it further they can involve trading standards and then you have a whole world of pain ahead.

Are you really that naive?

You really need to re-assess your business model before you end up getting you ass sued (or worse).

Unfortunately a lot of people on here seem to think the same way, that stealth is a 'get out of jail free" card so they can sell ⊗⊗⊗⊗ stuff with immunity.

I am not that naive and no I dont know why I put that above about stealth!

Anyway, I need to hope and pray it isnt taken further!

There is ONLY ONE reason that an Agent from a Particular brand would buy From you,,,and that is to Prosecute, Plain and simple,,,If all they wanted to do was to get you off Ebay, they simply would have reported your account throught the VERO Program and then ask ebay to boot the account,,,This Happens EVERY Day,,,,,,

After they Buy from you,,the FIRST thing the do is ask Ebay to provide them with the Exact number of those Items that that account has sold,,Then they try to link that account to Past Active and Suspended Ebay accounts,,(You would be surprised how EASILY they can do this,,,Just think how many Bank accounts you have opened and Closed at the SAME Bank) if the total number of Items you have sold is big Enough,,,then they will go out and get a Court orders to force the Banks attached to those Paypal accouts to give up ALL their Information on those accounts,,,,and They will,,,GUARANTEED,,,then comes a Knock on your Door,,maybe a Little Chase,,and finally a NEW set of Bracelets,,,

Now NONE of this will happen if you only sold a Few Peices,,,and PLEASE DO not ASK WHAT A few is,,,Because EVERY Brand/Item is Different,,,besides only the Brand knows that, and they can change that at any time

Good Luck

davey how do you know it was the brand owner?

Her username was the brand name and her email was joe.bloggs@brandname. com!!

also the address that is on there I googled and it is the HQ of the company...

Looks like I have a bumpy ride ahead of me!

Thanks for advice guys looks like I am well and truly done with !

^^^ Wow, at least pay attention to what you are doing. :deadhorse:

Makes no odds unknown5454 I have not noticed and thats that, anyone under a false email could buy from you at anytime and you wouldn't know about it.

It's easy to miss emails when you have alot of orders.

You also said their feedback tells the story...yet you never bothered to check?

Did you send it today by the way? and how was it sent? worth giving royal mail a call to see if its in the depot still.

I sent it on the 18th and I clicked on a different page of orders and just out corner of my eye saw the email and thought ****!

It's done and I'll just have to wait it out and pray to someone upstairs they don't come hunting!

Only time will tell now.

It could be weeks or even months before anything comes of it, if at all.

Depending on who gets involved it takes time for them to investigate and compile a case.

If they do go after you then the first you will know about it is probably when they turn up on your doorstep, not before.

It really confuses me when people say vero instead of phake.

For a second I thought you were in trouble just because you sold goods belonging to a certain company.

Keep us updated.

Let's see what happens!

Yes they are not the same but it has become the 'norm' for people to use the term ve ro when referring to ⊗⊗⊗⊗ items.

Two very different violations with two very different possible outcomes.

As I have said MANY times before,,,It's ALL Numbers,,,,

It will cost that Company a Certain amount of Money to Investigate and Prosecute this Case,,,

Now all that Company really wants to know is,,,,Have you Sold enough of these Items to Make it worth their While to spend the time and money it will take them to get you

If not,,,they will simply Violate your account throught the VERO Program

I know but it still annoys me. Because then there are people who sell vero and people assume they are selling phakes so they have to clarify that they aren't.

I almost think it's a mental thing. Like it makes someone feel better to say "I sell veros" rather than "I sell counterfeits" which sounds bad.

Totally agree.

veros/phakes its all the same

why,coz their both not allowed on ebay :thumb:

davey,

Stop selling copies asap... Make 100% sure you do not have anymore in your home or business. The evidence they have at this point (hopefully) is one.

If they only have 1 that is still enough to put me in deep water though?

I think I will be seeking out items that are NOT copies and start to make a legitimate side to a business! Live and learn the hard way, thanks for all the advice above!

what i dont get is why would they buy under their company name etc

why....why not do it undercover

If they believe that 1 is ⊗⊗⊗⊗ - they will investigate with e/b to see how many you have sold and if its worth taking it further or not - hopefully it's not.

All the best.

I guess buying under their company is a good scare tactic aswell - i'm telling you know if it was me and saw the company buy it from me - I would stop selling the product the same day.

Good deterrence.

But i've seen alot of companies buy undercover - i guess different companies different method.

They may well have bought more than one but through other accounts.

Standard tactic for gaining evidence, Trading Standards do it all the time.

good point bro

but on the investigation side of this

if they wanted to do you in,they would do it undercover surely

coz like NJM mentioned,now davey may get rid of the millions of phakes under his bed

any good investigation is complete stealth/undercover

if he was been investigated as a potential big fish to fry,there's no way they would jeopardize the investigation by buying from him with the companys ebay account

they would gather all evidence and surprise him

They may already have done it undercover.

Why buy under their real name? To see if you are smart enough to actually have some genuine items maybe.

Getting rid of ⊗⊗⊗⊗ stock becomes irrelevant if they already have sufficient evidence to prosecute. As one poster has already said rights owners have different 'tolerance' levels on what is enough of a breach for them.

If they then involve trading standards they are legally obliged to investigate further and they can dig much deeper than the rights owners. They can go where you really don't want them to i.e banks, suppliers, the lot.

For them its a house of cards, by pulling a few out from the bottom you eventually bring the whole lot down.

For the rights owner it's the bigger picture they are looking at not just one isolated instance and in this economic climate they are looking really hard.

Yeah you would think that - I certainly would go undercover if it was my comapny.

Very strange tactic, sounds like a company who hasn't got much experience perhaps with dealing with cases like this.

Hmm possibly not getting my hopes up I'm probably toast now!

I'm going product hunting tomorrow searching unbranded non trademark items, of there is such a thing that can make good money.

Research for me!

To be honest if you sell phakes you are going to get busted one way or another sooner

or later. And if i bought from EB and found it to be phake id report then too cos i would

not want to part with my hard earned money for something that is worth pence.

I have no sympathy for anyone that hides behoind stealth to sell ****e products on EB it

is because of these exact listings that people selling genuine products are banned

within a few listings and why stealth has been created in the first place.

Im sorry but i hope you get that knock on the door and learn from your lesson.

Got to admit there is a lot of truth in that

hey hdavey look in the subscribed section a good thread there about where to find stuff to sell and what people have found.

Getting caught selling that stuff anyways is a slap on the wrist regardless.

lol just wait until you get fined and have to pay the lawyers.