Major Paypal Issue -

GreenBean · #23 05-17-2012

Follow your gut feelings.

Here's another spanner...........

are you going to sell the same items?

If so what have you done to the listings?

Are they different in appearance or...............

London1234 · #24 05-17-2012

I plan on taking new photographs and changing all the text, yes. But fundamentally yes i plan to sell the same things. I might list a few totally random things on there as well to try and make it look better?

- New photos
- New Text/New Description

Not quite sure what else i'll do. I also plan on buying things for a bit as well before selling.

What do you think?

NoneOther · #25 05-17-2012

My view is that any new account selling the same items albeit with different text and images and with an address right next door to a banned one will be very short lived.

I would reckon that on the first manual review it will get flagged and in all probability get a docs request for the whole nine yards i.e. ID, address and suppliers invoices.

e/b are not dumb in these matters and in that type of scenario is not hard to figure out what's going on.

If your going to go stealth then do it all properly and not half a**ed like it is now, plain lazy to use a neighbours details as well as the repercussions that you will face from them when it all goes wrong and they get banned permanently from e/b and p/p. And we've heard it all before "they're not interested in using e/b or p/p ever" that is until they can't then it all kicks off.

There are much better ways to do it.

London1234 · #26 05-17-2012

Hi noneother - thanks for your post...in terms of stealth addresses i changed the postcode and everything but i see what you mean, totally. How far away do you think it should be really...I mean it can't be too far given that otherwise my ip address won't match up to the area of registration etc...or is this is a negligible point?

oompaloompa · #27 05-17-2012

this is his 100 % source of income - first mistake, but I do not think you will be so trusting in future, right?

You might have to change your products, and maybe get rid of the remainder of your existing stock mixing in slowly..

never use someone elses name and address without permission full stop, it is crossing the line...

I mean, your parents addresses are ok or maybe a pobox for a business acc.

NoneOther · #28 05-17-2012

Changing the postcode won't fly as e/b and p/p use postcode matching i.e. the postcode has fully match the street name on Royal Mail's database.

IP is not that relevant as long as it is not the same as one used by a banned account, it could be a hundred miles from where you actually are and it would not cause any issues.

GrannyT · #29 05-17-2012

As I see it OP you have several problems

First your haste to get going again - the consequences of getting this wrong are the loss of a good address and the loss of a good bank account

Second is your product - is it 'uncommon' - if it is then that is another potential link. Make no bones about this - if Ebay so much as think you are one and the same person you will be toast. You seriously messed up (albeit not your direct fault but your fault for not taking care of business) and in EBs and PPs eyes you are nothing but aggravation. I'm sure you are a lovely chap but not to them - they do not want to do business with you!!

As has been said the 'boyos' are not stupid - far from it - we have to be lucky every day - they only have to be lucky once.

I would suggest, if you can, dropping your current product list for a while.

As far as getting your money out of Paypal is concerned - forget it - it aint going to happen - not for a while anyway - so accept that as a fact and plan accordingly, no matter how desperate that makes you feel.

Your situation is not good and there is nothing I can say to make it good but you are here now and if you look, listen and learn we should have you flying again soon

London1234 · #30 05-18-2012

Apologies - I'm not very adept at the quote thing:

1. @Oompaloompa - Thanks for your message:

"You might have to change your products, and maybe get rid of the remainder of your existing stock mixing in slowly.."

I had thought that in the first couple of weeks i might list some items totally different to those that i had been selling before (a type of plastic storage box....happy to mention i here). I figure if i just go ahead and upload a lot of storage boxes again it will get flagged. So i thought i might just add something like a couple of old books, some old vintage clothing garment....something that alot of random ebay punters sell and less business-y, as such. Then as you say, slowly mix in one item at a time.

2. @Noneother - Thank you again...

"Changing the postcode won't fly as e/b and p/p use postcode matching i.e. the postcode has fully match the street name on Royal Mail's database"

The total address should match, I haven't just changed the postcode, I changed the:
-House number
-Street name i the same (I acknowledge the error of my ways here but it's a bit too late not, unfortunately)
- I added in the Borough as extra information
- New Postcode (which matches the street number, obviously)
Hence i think the databases should match up.

"IP is not that relevant as long as it is not the same as one used by a banned account, it could be a hundred miles from where you actually are and it would not cause any issues."

I have a dynamic Bband IP and i'm stupidly anal about resetting my router. I also enter the new IP in an excel heet which has a log of all the IPs i've ever been given and auto-scans to check it' not a duplicate....just in case

3. @GrannyT - Thank you also very much...

As I see it OP you have several problems

"Second is your product - is it 'uncommon' - if it is then that is another potential link. Make no bones about this - if Ebay so much as think you are one and the same person you will be toast." and "I would suggest, if you can, dropping your current product list for a while."

As I mentioned above....i'm going to try to address this with a few ghost products - how long should i keep this up for do you think? Or just always have a mix of items listed. I also assume keep the "about you" section different to before.

"As far as getting your money out of Paypal is concerned - forget it - it aint going to happen - not for a while anyway - so accept that as a fact and plan accordingly, no matter how desperate that makes you feel."

With this issue...i don't completely understand the danger of making very small requests - £10.00 etc etc. Is the issue here them seeing the mis-match on my bank account name versus it's real name? I have been careful to check my bank accept deposits not in my name so i was hoping this wouldn't be so much of an issue. Lastly, Paypal's new "pay £5 and get express withdrawal". Has anyone had much experience with it....is there more security/is it likely to fall down more than the traditional way?

Thank you all again - very much appreciate this

GrannyT · #31 05-18-2012

I was referring to the cash in your restricted account and not any new account you may set up - sorry if I confused you - I confuse myself some times

NoneOther · #32 05-18-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by London1234

Apologies - I'm not very adept at the quote thing:

1. @Oompaloompa - Thanks for your message:

"You might have to change your products, and maybe get rid of the remainder of your existing stock mixing in slowly.."

I had thought that in the first couple of weeks i might list some items totally different to those that i had been selling before (a type of plastic storage box....happy to mention i here). I figure if i just go ahead and upload a lot of storage boxes again it will get flagged. So i thought i might just add something like a couple of old books, some old vintage clothing garment....something that alot of random ebay punters sell and less business-y, as such. Then as you say, slowly mix in one item at a time.

2. @Noneother - Thank you again...

"Changing the postcode won't fly as e/b and p/p use postcode matching i.e. the postcode has fully match the street name on Royal Mail's database"

The total address should match, I haven't just changed the postcode, I changed the:
-House number
-Street name i the same (I acknowledge the error of my ways here but it's a bit too late not, unfortunately)
- I added in the Borough as extra information
- New Postcode (which matches the street number, obviously)
Hence i think the databases should match up.

"IP is not that relevant as long as it is not the same as one used by a banned account, it could be a hundred miles from where you actually are and it would not cause any issues."

I have a dynamic Bband IP and i'm stupidly anal about resetting my router. I also enter the new IP in an excel heet which has a log of all the IPs i've ever been given and auto-scans to check it' not a duplicate....just in case

3. @GrannyT - Thank you also very much...

As I see it OP you have several problems

"Second is your product - is it 'uncommon' - if it is then that is another potential link. Make no bones about this - if Ebay so much as think you are one and the same person you will be toast." and "I would suggest, if you can, dropping your current product list for a while."

As I mentioned above....i'm going to try to address this with a few ghost products - how long should i keep this up for do you think? Or just always have a mix of items listed. I also assume keep the "about you" section different to before.

"As far as getting your money out of Paypal is concerned - forget it - it aint going to happen - not for a while anyway - so accept that as a fact and plan accordingly, no matter how desperate that makes you feel."

With this issue...i don't completely understand the danger of making very small requests - £10.00 etc etc. Is the issue here them seeing the mis-match on my bank account name versus it's real name? I have been careful to check my bank accept deposits not in my name so i was hoping this wouldn't be so much of an issue. Lastly, Paypal's new "pay £5 and get express withdrawal". Has anyone had much experience with it....is there more security/is it likely to fall down more than the traditional way?

Thank you all again - very much appreciate this

TBH my advice to you would be to scrap what you've done so far, it has no chance of longevity imo.

Open a new bank account, get a decent address and start over.

London1234 · #33 05-18-2012

Is that primarily due to the address being so close to the old limited one?

NoneOther · #34 05-18-2012

Yes, as I said the account may well run for a while but it will not last any appreciable length of time. It has way to many factors that make it vulnerable to a manual review which will no doubt happen within the first few months if not weeks.

Your haste has led you to make serious mistakes that you need to learn from and then put in place an account that will fly.

London1234 · #35 05-18-2012

Thanks Noneother - well i've got a meeting with halifax (having researched it looks good - accepting deposits in a different name etc) and i will simultaneously continue down that road whilst this current stealth account is getting verified

Not to be anal but you you said mistakes plural. I actually thought i'd understood stealth fairly well - did a lot of research on the forums post reading as well. Hence the new stealth has (dynamic IP, log every ip i use, new name, new address - my error i think, VCC, new bank, new windows user).Note - also installed Ghostery, CSFire, and Better privacy on firefox....to nail flash cookies and LSOs just incase....

Only reason i ask is that i don't want to second guess things i'm doing right you know...very much appreciate learning from you more experienced guys but need to still know what i'm doing right and what wrong.

NoneOther · #36 05-18-2012

IP is important but one of the easiest parts of stealth to control.

Cookies are your friends in stealth.

There is no need to delete them if you are using separate user accounts.

IN FACT IT IS BETTER TO KEEP THEM NOT DELETE THEM.

The biggest stumbling block to getting linked is personal info i.e. names, DOB, address and financial info.

That is what you need to take care of first and foremost. e/b and p/p are not idiots. They read this site so try to be a little more circumspect with the level of detail in your posts.

We all know the procedures there is no need to spell them out.

Good luck

GreenBean · #37 05-18-2012

Joking aside by the amount of talking you are doing you could hardly be taking in very much.

Here's the bottom hard to understand but brother you need to line:

Put ALL that happened behind you.

Take a deep breath, scream, yell, whatever.

Your mission is to make a new stealth account.

The CORRECT definition of steath is to not LINK to anything old.

This has not happened.

Too much of what you have done will fail review.

Thinking of doing business with an unverified paypal is a risk.

Leave this account well alone for the moment. Let it be.

Go create a plan of what you think you should do.......from filling the kitchen sink with water to the amount of columns in your excel file.
Post that.... you can get it tweaked

London1234 · #38 05-18-2012

Hmmm....thanks guys....definitely food for thought there.

FYI Halifax very easy.

and will unblock all the flash cookies/cookies on the relevant accounts....hmm

Think i'll just leave this account for a bit and see ho it goes. Am i right in assuming if i then close the account don BEFORE it's limited they'll STILL HAVE my bank details on file...hence it's a silly error to use those details for stealth again...

Bunneh · #39 05-18-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by London1234

Hmmm....thanks guys....definitely food for thought there.

FYI Halifax very easy.

and will unblock all the flash cookies/cookies on the relevant accounts....hmm

Think i'll just leave this account for a bit and see ho it goes. Am i right in assuming if i then close the account don BEFORE it's limited they'll STILL HAVE my bank details on file...hence it's a silly error to use those details for stealth again...

You wont be able to use the same bank details on another paypal or ebay account again.
Stealth or not, it doesnt let you, and if you try, i am sure they keep a record of this to

Bunneh · #40 05-18-2012

Also i have found Halifax to be touch and go lately
when it comes to withdrawing from paypal.
Sometime you get it & Sometimes you dont.

GrannyT · #41 05-18-2012

Correct . .

rsot · #42 05-18-2012

/quote by GB

The CORRECT definition of steath is to not LINK to anything old.

That's all you need to focus on - everything should be fresh. What you choose to do once set up is up to you of course. There's other strategies for that.

NoneOther · #43 05-18-2012

No issues with Halifax here, still solid.

I take it your referring to savers in particular?

Bunneh · #44 05-18-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoneOther

No issues with Halifax here, still solid.

I take it your referring to savers in particular?

No i use an eplan account. It used to work fine no problems on my old paypal account but since opening a new eplan account, I has had its few problems.