Changing name?

[osake]

Wouldn't it be easier just to change your real name, then open a paypal account with your new real name and details? Rather than going through the trouble of maintaining 10+ stealth accounts?

[Dmshark25]

And what happens when that new account goes down just like your original Account?? Change your Name Again and Again??

A reason for multiple accounts is to spread sales out, we are all here because eBay and PayPal shut down accounts every single day

The only way to operate is with multiple accounts, that way no one account is linked and no one account is the core of your business

You always want to have revenue coming in, and not need to just be totally shut down if your account does get suspended and than be stuck with nothing and need to start from scratch

Multiple accounts keeps you in control

[osake]

Originally Posted by Dmshark25

And what happens when that new account goes down just like your original Account?? Change your Name Again and Again??

A reason for multiple accounts is to spread sales out, we are all here because eBay and PayPal shut down accounts every single day

The only way to operate is with multiple accounts, that way no one account is linked and no one account is the core of your business

You always want to have revenue coming in, and not need to just be totally shut down if your account does get suspended and than be stuck with nothing and need to start from scratch

Multiple accounts keeps you in control

Fair enough, but then I suppose my question is what is causing the chronic suspensions? In my case my suspension was caused because i registered when I was underage so I guess the situation is different for me.

[jeffweico]

Suspensions happen for MANY reasons. Sometimes deserved (like selling counterfeits) and sometimes undeserved (like postal issues beyond your control) and sometimes just bad luck (being unexpectedly hospitalized and leaving 30 sales hanging for a month).

Being underage, I should THINK (I have never experienced this since I am older than bacteria) they would be willing to let bygones be bygones once you reach the age of majority. Maybe others have more experience with this and will chime in regarding the age issue.

But the question of changing your name... Isn't that just a bit extreme? And, like DMshark pointed out, what do you do if the second account gets suspended? It CAN happen, even if you have the best of intentions.

The reason we like stealth is that it allows us to sell on the two most visited ecommerce platforms, while spreading our risk over multiple account and stabilizing our businesses.

If you are dependent on ONE account, then ONE clerk at eBay or Amazon can shut down 100% of your business in one hissy-fit. If you have TEN accounts, they can only shut down 10% of your business.

Suspensions have happened to me for a lot of reasons. One account was lost when my regional US postal sorting center closed and another took its place. Packages were delayed for 7-10 days for MONTHS, so my shipping metrics went out the window. A few times, competitors brought me down by complaining LOUDLY to eBay that I was selling shoddy or counterfeit merchandise, even though the allegations were untrue. If you happen to sell certain brand name items (even just ONE PIECE) and an eBay VERO member complains, you can lose an account, even if your item is 100% legitimate.

Sometimes people make mistakes. For example your significant other dumped you, so you were having a bad day. Then, a buyer opens an eBay case and presses every last one of your buttons by making false accusations. Rather than being a professional, you fly off the handle and tell them to go FU*K themselves! That will also potentially get your account banned. eBay and ESPECIALLY AMAZON will not CARE about the extenuating circumstances.

eBay and Amazon are VERY UNFORGIVING much of the time. If they would ban accounts for a period of time for lesser infractions, say six months as a cooling off period when you told that buyer where to go, rather than it being a lifetime ban, then we probably wouldn't need stealth.

Many people who have never been banned assume that only those committing fraud or selling illegal items get banned. But that is NOT the case! And most of us are SHOCKED when it first happens. Just search for posts on the forum, there are TONS of sad stories here.

So, my advice is to CONSIDER stealth. Because you will be building a business that is more likely to survive over the long term than if you put all of your eggs into one basket, so to speak.

[rsot]

Originally Posted by osake

Wouldn't it be easier just to change your real name, then open a paypal account with your new real name and details? Rather than going through the trouble of maintaining 10+ stealth accounts?

No - changing name and details is a HUGE security flag

[osake]

Originally Posted by jeffweico

Suspensions happen for MANY reasons. Sometimes deserved (like selling counterfeits) and sometimes undeserved (like postal issues beyond your control) and sometimes just bad luck (being unexpectedly hospitalized and leaving 30 sales hanging for a month).

Being underage, I should THINK (I have never experienced this since I am older than bacteria) they would be willing to let bygones be bygones once you reach the age of majority. Maybe others have more experience with this and will chime in regarding the age issue.

But the question of changing your name... Isn't that just a bit extreme? And, like DMshark pointed out, what do you do if the second account gets suspended? It CAN happen, even if you have the best of intentions.

The reason we like stealth is that it allows us to sell on the two most visited ecommerce platforms, while spreading our risk over multiple account and stabilizing our businesses.

If you are dependent on ONE account, then ONE clerk at eBay or Amazon can shut down 100% of your business in one hissy-fit. If you have TEN accounts, they can only shut down 10% of your business.

Suspensions have happened to me for a lot of reasons. One account was lost when my regional US postal sorting center closed and another took its place. Packages were delayed for 7-10 days for MONTHS, so my shipping metrics went out the window. A few times, competitors brought me down by complaining LOUDLY to eBay that I was selling shoddy or counterfeit merchandise, even though the allegations were untrue. If you happen to sell certain brand name items (even just ONE PIECE) and an eBay VERO member complains, you can lose an account, even if your item is 100% legitimate.

Sometimes people make mistakes. For example your significant other dumped you, so you were having a bad day. Then, a buyer opens an eBay case and presses every last one of your buttons by making false accusations. Rather than being a professional, you fly off the handle and tell them to go FU*K themselves! That will also potentially get your account banned. eBay and ESPECIALLY AMAZON will not CARE about the extenuating circumstances.

eBay and Amazon are VERY UNFORGIVING much of the time. If they would ban accounts for a period of time for lesser infractions, say six months as a cooling off period when you told that buyer where to go, rather than it being a lifetime ban, then we probably wouldn't need stealth.

Many people who have never been banned assume that only those committing fraud or selling illegal items get banned. But that is NOT the case! And most of us are SHOCKED when it first happens. Just search for posts on the forum, there are TONS of sad stories here.

So, my advice is to CONSIDER stealth. Because you will be building a business that is more likely to survive over the long term than if you put all of your eggs into one basket, so to speak.

I see your point, also forgot to mention all my payments are received through my website, don't do any ebay/amazon related business. Maybe i'm being too presumptions but maybe ebay/amazon are very strict because they have millions of users, therefore enough statistical data to assume who might be breaking the rules(e.g counterfeit products, no/late deliveries...etc)even though it seems they overdo it and innocent people get caught up in the crossfire. Maybe it's different for non ebay/amazon niches since they don't have enough data to tell who's doing what, so will limit fully verified accounts only on the basis of how much chargebacks/disputes an account accumulates in respect to the accumulation of successful transactions?

[ooooo.halo]

Originally Posted by osake

Wouldn't it be easier just to change your real name, then open a paypal account with your new real name and details? Rather than going through the trouble of maintaining 10+ stealth accounts?

Do you mean change your.name legally by deedpole???
Its not just stealth accounts that go down, its real accounts too. If paypal dont like you, youre out, simple as that.
And as ""dmshark"" said....what are you going to do if you get shut down. Are you going to traipse back down to your local registry office and change your name again by deedpole. I think that would raise concerns for certain.
Stealth is stealth and thats the way to go...do it to the best of your ability. Dont rely on one, make some extras. You never know when you might need them :-)

[GreenBean]

Originally Posted by rsot

No - changing name and details is a HUGE security flag

OP is hinting more at a change by deed poll.

It's a UK fancy that gets done for numerous reasons.

Originally Posted by jeffweico

Being underage, I should THINK (I have never experienced this since I am older than bacteria) they would be willing to let bygones be bygones once you reach the age of majority. Maybe others have more experience with this and will chime in regarding the age issue.

paypal lay a nice trap fro underage users who 'fess up to this. Sometimes they do allow them to make a new account. They let that account flourish for a couple of billing cycles. Then give it a suspension out of nowhere without ever giving a hint as to the true reason. Majority I have ever checked over have been running well within the guidelines. paypal,nevertheless, kills these accounts.

Been doing that since 2007 when I joined. Nice trick by bad paypal.

[GreenBean]

Originally Posted by osake

I see your point, also forgot to mention all my payments are received through my website, don't do any ebay/amazon related business. Maybe i'm being too presumptions but maybe ebay/amazon are very strict because they have millions of users, therefore enough statistical data to assume who might be breaking the rules(e.g counterfeit products, no/late deliveries...etc)even though it seems they overdo it and innocent people get caught up in the crossfire. Maybe it's different for non ebay/amazon niches since they don't have enough data to tell who's doing what, so will limit fully verified accounts only on the basis of how much chargebacks/disputes an account accumulates in respect to the accumulation of successful transactions?

Are you clutching at straws? to a point, you are actually worse off if you have lost a paypal account used for non-ebay transactions.

If you are using a website, then your type of item is probably your issue. No name change is going to give you any extra freedom.

You actually are going to have troubles with a new paypal. It's not wise to attach another paypal after a limited paypal has happened.

I recalled your other thread.

http://www.aspkin.com/forums/uk-payp...an-handle.html

Re-read post 10 again. You need to look over the whole picture again.

[osake]

Originally Posted by GreenBean

Are you clutching at straws? to a point, you are actually worse off if you have lost a paypal account used for non-ebay transactions.

If you are using a website, then your type of item is probably your issue. No name change is going to give you any extra freedom.

You actually are going to have troubles with a new paypal. It's not wise to attach another paypal after a limited paypal has happened.

I recalled your other thread.

http://www.aspkin.com/forums/uk-payp...an-handle.html

Re-read post 10 again. You need to look over the whole picture again.

but see thats the issue, my paypal was never lost due to what i was selling, it was lost because i registered when i was underage. I'm no longer underage so i figured if i changed my name legally via deed pool and opened another account maybe i would never have to worry about limitations? Not linking the new paypal to the old sites. Same services, but different domains.

[osake]

Originally Posted by ooooo.halo

Do you mean change your.name legally by deedpole???
Its not just stealth accounts that go down, its real accounts too. If paypal dont like you, youre out, simple as that.
And as ""dmshark"" said....what are you going to do if you get shut down. Are you going to traipse back down to your local registry office and change your name again by deedpole. I think that would raise concerns for certain.
Stealth is stealth and thats the way to go...do it to the best of your ability. Dont rely on one, make some extras. You never know when you might need them :-)

doubt they would suspend any further accounts i made if they where made with real details+new name. Only got suspended last time because i was underage.

[yankee]

Originally Posted by osake

doubt they would suspend any further accounts i made if they where made with real details+new name. Only got suspended last time because i was underage.

Naive comments.

[yankee]

osake, how about you go and try this and come back in a couple years and let us know how it has gone?

[JamesNorth101]

Originally Posted by osake

doubt they would suspend any further accounts i made if they where made with real details+new name. Only got suspended last time because i was underage.

You can still get suspended for a lot of other reasons....

[GreenBean]

Originally Posted by osake

doubt they would suspend any further accounts i made if they where made with real details+new name. Only got suspended last time because i was underage.

FFS, those paypal accounts that I spoke about were all remade with real info.

All of them got limited later.