Ebay are demanding I display my VAT number in listings.

[13obby]

Originally Posted by mmmbop

Funniest thing.

So the Chinese and their VAT numbers. This guy has registered his VAT number but managed to register it at the actual HMRC offices in Scotland

GUO RONGZHI
XiaJiao Lingnan Electronic Commerce Industrial Park,guangzhou
510000 广东省
China
Complete information
VAT number:
GB 275509579


Yes, valid VAT number

Member State GB
VAT Number GB 275509579
Date when request received 2018/05/01 21:17:14
Name GUO RONGZHI
Address HM REVENUE AND CUSTOMS
RUBY HOUSE
8 RUBY PLACE
ABERDEEN
AB10 1ZP

Yes of course he has using phake docs it’s a f$uc$ing shambles

[e2free]

Originally Posted by mmmbop

Funniest thing.

So the Chinese and their VAT numbers. This guy has registered his VAT number but managed to register it at the actual HMRC offices in Scotland

GUO RONGZHI
XiaJiao Lingnan Electronic Commerce Industrial Park,guangzhou
510000 广东省
China
Complete information
VAT number:
GB 275509579


Yes, valid VAT number

Member State GB
VAT Number GB 275509579
Date when request received 2018/05/01 21:17:14
Name GUO RONGZHI
Address HM REVENUE AND CUSTOMS
RUBY HOUSE
8 RUBY PLACE
ABERDEEN
AB10 1ZP

That's completely normal and it's light vat number overseas seller who don't have any accountant here has to register address on hmrc address

Most of Chinese address are hmrc

Only problem is they just got number but not paying vat and hmrc can't do anything

[mmmbop]

Originally Posted by 13obby

Yes of course he has using phake docs it’s a f$uc$ing shambles

So best to join them then.

How do we sign up for a VAT number in random details like Mr Chineseman has?

[mmmbop]

Originally Posted by e2free

That's completely normal and it's light vat number overseas seller who don't have any accountant here has to register address on hmrc address

Most of Chinese address are hmrc

Only problem is they just got number but not paying vat and hmrc can't do anything

So, you can simply put any address down on this VAT form?

It seems too easy..

[mmmbop]

Originally Posted by e2free

That's completely normal and it's light vat number overseas seller who don't have any accountant here has to register address on hmrc address

Most of Chinese address are hmrc

Only problem is they just got number but not paying vat and hmrc can't do anything

Also, Ebay said the details on your ebay account had to match those on the VAT number - so how does it work if these Chinese sellers use the HMRC address? Ive yet to find another Chinese seller using an HMRC address though..

[nerukas]

Originally Posted by mmmbop

Its not that, you've misunderstood.

The Phake VAT number is easy to get, and the HMRC have no powers to recoup VAT anyway from the Chinese, so they essentially do nothing when a seller puts in a return for say £50k when they have in fact sold £5million over multiple accounts.

And you think HMRC will let that account sell on ebay? Truly?

[nerukas]

Originally Posted by mmmbop

Also, Ebay said the details on your ebay account had to match those on the VAT number - so how does it work if these Chinese sellers use the HMRC address? Ive yet to find another Chinese seller using an HMRC address though..

This is only for the UK seller. International seller who makes sales over 85k into uk has to register for UK Vat, bit a business is located anywhere in the world.

[e2free]

Originally Posted by mmmbop

So best to join them then.

How do we sign up for a VAT number in random details like Mr Chineseman has?

well sameway Chineseman doing,

your business has to be abroad its not for us who based in uk since we have addresses in uk

ebay dont care for the address for overseas sellers since its legit way they are allow to do this since they based not in uk

for uk resident address has to match

[mmmbop]

Originally Posted by e2free

well they way Chineseman doing,

your business has to be abroad its not for us who based in uk since we have address to use

ebay dont care for the address for overseas sellers since its legit way they are allow to do this since they based not in uk

for uk resident address has to match

Ah I see, so another way to screw the UK seller. If you're overseas with a warehouse here, you can enter any address in the world - brilliant. So essentially the whole thing will achieve nothing in the fight against Chinese domination of our countries marketplace trading.

Its as bad as the European domination of the UK, now the UK internet is controlled by the Chinese...ol wonder if we can initiate a Chexit?

[james_112233]

Originally Posted by mmmbop

Ah I see, so another way to screw the UK seller. If you're overseas with a warehouse here, you can enter any address in the world - brilliant. So essentially the whole thing will achieve nothing in the fight against Chinese domination of our countries marketplace trading.

Its as bad as the European domination of the UK, now the UK internet is controlled by the Chinese...ol wonder if we can initiate a Chexit?

HMRC claim 1.5 billion is lost in VAT errors / people not declaring.

So even if they can get 300 million from breathing down paypal and amazon's neck ... I guess it's still a win/win situation for them.

I've already counted 2 of my competitors registering a legitimate VAT number after those threatening emails ebay sent out.

[mmmbop]

Originally Posted by james_112233

HMRC claim 1.5 billion is lost in VAT errors / people not declaring.

So even if they can get 300 million from breathing down paypal and amazon's neck ... I guess it's still a win/win situation for them.

I've already counted 2 of my competitors registering a legitimate VAT number after those threatening emails ebay sent out.

I agree completely. Im not so much interested in whys and hows, I am more interested in how to create a workaround for Stealth accounts. Because the details will never match on the account to a VAT number, which you need a National Insurance number to get.

Im surprised that none of the bigwigs/owners on this forum seem to of commented on any of this?

[e2free]

Originally Posted by mmmbop

I agree completely. Im not so much interested in whys and hows, I am more interested in how to create a workaround for Stealth accounts. Because the details will never match on the account to a VAT number, which you need a National Insurance number to get.

Im surprised that none of the bigwigs/owners on this forum seem to of commented on any of this?

Because none of them VAT registered

If maybe they come and comments then their comments will be get advice from accountant

[Lesstix]

I stopped selling on April 1st to allow my sales to drop below the £85K - it is now at £78K. I listed a couple of items today on my legit account and got this message
”You are unable to list new items pending evidence of full compliance with your UK VAT obligations. If you have already provided a UK VAT number please check that it remains valid and that your company or First & Last Name details provided to eBay match those on your VAT registration. If you haven’t registered for VAT with HMRC, visit HMRC’s website here . Once you have registered with HMRC, provide your VAT ID to eBay here. This restriction will remain in place until you have updated or added your valid VAT details or otherwise provided us with evidence of compliance. Failure to comply with UK VAT Obligations may result in further action and restriction from trading on ebay.”
Looks like I am screwed and will need to open/buy my first stealth a/c.

[13obby]

Originally Posted by Lesstix

I stopped selling on April 1st to allow my sales to drop below the £85K - it is now at £78K. I listed a couple of items today on my legit account and got this message
”You are unable to list new items pending evidence of full compliance with your UK VAT obligations. If you have already provided a UK VAT number please check that it remains valid and that your company or First & Last Name details provided to eBay match those on your VAT registration. If you haven’t registered for VAT with HMRC, visit HMRC’s website here . Once you have registered with HMRC, provide your VAT ID to eBay here. This restriction will remain in place until you have updated or added your valid VAT details or otherwise provided us with evidence of compliance. Failure to comply with UK VAT Obligations may result in further action and restriction from trading on ebay.”
Looks like I am screwed and will need to open/buy my first stealth a/c.

To be honest if your below the VAT threshold which £85,000 you do not need to register for VAT, call HMRC and confirm this I have and they advised me I do not need to VAT registered so I then asked for something in writing so that I can forward this to Ebay to shut them HMRC told me they will not provide that in writing and Ebay should already know this if your below the threshold it’s not required. I would call Ebay and inform them this as your below threshold it’s not required as per HMRC tax laws and have them unrestricted your account then don’t use it for a year. You might have to tell Ebay that your going stop selling for a year because your starting another venture and because your below threshold for vat and you won’t be continuing to sell in Ebay for a year then theirs no need to be VAT registered. That’s only way I think you can save your account I think!

[mmmbop]

What dosent make sense is the HMRC actually state on their own website that they will confirm you are exempt/ an exception

'Get an exception
You can apply for a registration ‘exception’ if your taxable turnover goes over the threshold temporarily.

Write to HMRC with evidence showing why you believe your VAT taxable turnover won’t go over the de-registration threshold of £83,000 in the next 12 months.

HMRC will consider your exception and write confirming if you get one. If not, they’ll register you for VAT.'

https://www.gov.uk/vat-registration/when-to-register


I am sure my time is approaching, Im well over the threshold and have been each year for about four years. I have yet to have an email, but it will come, I am sure, so still trying to find the best way to deal with this when it comes.

[james_112233]

Originally Posted by mmmbop

What dosent make sense is the HMRC actually state on their own website that they will confirm you are exempt/ an exception

'Get an exception
You can apply for a registration ‘exception’ if your taxable turnover goes over the threshold temporarily.

Write to HMRC with evidence showing why you believe your VAT taxable turnover won’t go over the de-registration threshold of £83,000 in the next 12 months.

HMRC will consider your exception and write confirming if you get one. If not, they’ll register you for VAT.'

https://www.gov.uk/vat-registration/when-to-register


I am sure my time is approaching, Im well over the threshold and have been each year for about four years. I have yet to have an email, but it will come, I am sure, so still trying to find the best way to deal with this when it comes.

And you are still able to list items etc even though you are over the threshold ???

I went over the threshold for the first time ever, but immediately stopped selling.

Been over 30 days now. I am taking a break for at least 3 months now ...

But i'm scared when I try to list an item I will get that same message as Lesstix ... Jut an unnecessary headache that I don't need.

I should ask. Lesstix have you ever been VAT registered in the past ? seems like lots of accounts that were registered in the past are having blocks put on their accounts.

[james_112233]

Originally Posted by Lesstix

I stopped selling on April 1st to allow my sales to drop below the £85K - it is now at £78K. I listed a couple of items today on my legit account and got this message
”You are unable to list new items pending evidence of full compliance with your UK VAT obligations. If you have already provided a UK VAT number please check that it remains valid and that your company or First & Last Name details provided to eBay match those on your VAT registration. If you haven’t registered for VAT with HMRC, visit HMRC’s website here . Once you have registered with HMRC, provide your VAT ID to eBay here. This restriction will remain in place until you have updated or added your valid VAT details or otherwise provided us with evidence of compliance. Failure to comply with UK VAT Obligations may result in further action and restriction from trading on ebay.”
Looks like I am screwed and will need to open/buy my first stealth a/c.

So where you initially allowed to list a few items before you got hit with that notice ? or was it on the first item you listed ?

[Lesstix]

I listed 3 items without any problems (these are still active) and on the forth listing I got the message of doom.

[mmmbop]

I literally add stock to my 300 or so listings on a daily basis...the doom must be coming for me soon.

According to the people on the eBay forum there is a button to press to say no vat needed or something like that, have you explored?

[mmmbop]

Also, i presume you are listing new items not quantity on existing items?

[Lesstix]

It is second hand photography gear

[Lesstix]

Any further information on the button would be appreciated