Is using a virtual machine still ok?

[Davfos]

Looking to move to virtual machines and wanted to know if this is still okay, I will be wanting to access my accounts from aboard and I can use remote desktop for my pc and then simply open the virtual machines to access the accounts - something that would be impossible using user accounts.

I have one issue, I will be using the wifi connection for remote access, but I have several dongles that I want to use directly on the virtual machines, does anyone know how to step the VM so it only uses a dongle instead of the wifi connection?

I have several dongles and I would love to be able to use the different dongles for different accounts/vm and then be able to turn off and back on again to change the IP address (allowing me to also create accounts while away).

I know the using a VPN would be better, but to be honest I don't want to use them nor are they good for creating accounts.

I currently have a GOIP machine to manage the sims, so if any verification is needed that can be managed quite easily.

Also, is it possible to create master VM loaded with all the basic details and browsers, then simply clone them for new accounts?

As I am fairly new to VM's I'm looking for guidance.

Thanks in advance follow stealthers.

[Estarossa]

Yes virtual machines are fine, if for example you have windows 7 installed on your VM, you can clone it each time you want to make a new account, just be sure that you go into about:config and disable WebGL and WebRTC and also reset UserAgent and you should be good to go. I have this exact same setup using mobile data. You can change the network to whatever you want so the virtual machine will only use that connection and no other. Simply right click the VM in virtualbox or any other VM software and navigate to "Network" and you can change the network adapter e.g. home connection to lets say for example Samsung or anything. Mobile Data is just as good if not better for Ebay, i recommend it and it's really effective due to the new IP you can generate in a few seconds.

1. Create original VM and install mozilla on it
2. Everytime you want to make new ebay/pp acc, right click and "Full Clone" the original
3. Be sure to reset useragent/disable webgl/disable webrtc before you visit any sites (All can be done by typing about:config in firefox)
I personally torrented a cracked windows 7 since i did not want to pay for it, but the choice is yours.

Not sure if i got this right but you want to remotely access your computer and have the virtual machine use the dongle instead of the connection you're using to remotely access the computer? should be doable, just have to make sure the VM's network settings are connected to the dongle which only takes a second to double check before you click start on the VM as i explained above. Although if you're abroad and you want to use your accounts, the dongles will have to be connected 24/7 unless you have a family member/someone else physically insert the dongles into the PC.

[greenlaurel]

Originally Posted by Estarossa

Yes virtual machines are fine, if for example you have windows 7 installed on your VM, you can clone it each time you want to make a new account, just be sure that you go into about:config and disable WebGL and WebRTC and also reset UserAgent and you should be good to go. I have this exact same setup using mobile data. You can change the network to whatever you want so the virtual machine will only use that connection and no other. Simply right click the VM in virtualbox or any other VM software and navigate to "Network" and you can change the network adapter e.g. home connection to lets say for example Samsung or anything. Mobile Data is just as good if not better for Ebay, i recommend it and it's really effective due to the new IP you can generate in a few seconds.

1. Create original VM and install mozilla on it
2. Everytime you want to make new ebay/pp acc, right click and "Full Clone" the original
3. Be sure to reset useragent/disable webgl/disable webrtc before you visit any sites (All can be done by typing about:config in firefox)
I personally torrented a cracked windows 7 since i did not want to pay for it, but the choice is yours.

Not sure if i got this right but you want to remotely access your computer and have the virtual machine use the dongle instead of the connection you're using to remotely access the computer? should be doable, just have to make sure the VM's network settings are connected to the dongle which only takes a second to double check before you click start on the VM as i explained above. Although if you're abroad and you want to use your accounts, the dongles will have to be connected 24/7 unless you have a family member/someone else physically insert the dongles into the PC.

"WebGL and WebRT" How do we configure this?

[Davfos]

Thanks for your sound advice, much appreciated.

Originally Posted by Estarossa

just be sure that you go into about:config and disable WebGL and WebRTC and also reset UserAgent and you should be good to go.

Just a little confused about this part, why would this be needed if not using a VPN and not using user accounts?

I am guessing you go into the browser settings to set this?

I was thinking of using normal browsers, none portable and then install add blockers etc to look more natural.

[Estarossa]

Open mozilla
Type "about:config" and press enter > accept the "risks"
Now search in the bar these three things one by one.
useragent (Right click the one with a bunch of random numbers and click "Reset")
webgl.disabled (double click the value field so it changes to "True")
media.peerconnection.enabled (Double click the value field and make sure it says "False")
That should be about it guys, next time please atleast do a google search guys, so many articles/websites explaining how to disable these things in firefox.
Yes i'm using normal browsers, however my original vm has mozilla installed so when i clone that vm for new ebay accs, the files get cloned too including the mozilla that was installed but never used. The disabling of those three things is necessary to make sure nothing leaks to ebay, only takes a minute.

[Davfos]

Thanks again.

I will mainly use normal installed browsers instead of the portable versions, I am guessing this would be fine to just simply clone a main version without the need to install the browsers each time.

[Davfos]

Anyone that use a similar set up can advise if this will work fine?

I also read on here that they can now see if it is a virtual machine and this may cause suspensions.

I cant find a way to switch user accounts using remote desktop, is this possible?

[assi6666]

it works well and it's proven several times

[sirchris]

they can 100% detect virtual machines now with there javascript check along with other things (cpu timing fingerprinting among others) whether they are acting on it is another thing.

[sirchris]

mind sharing how you set this up?

[dazller_the_great]

Originally Posted by Estarossa

Open mozilla
Type "about:config" and press enter > accept the "risks"
Now search in the bar these three things one by one.
useragent (Right click the one with a bunch of random numbers and click "Reset")
webgl.disabled (double click the value field so it changes to "True")
media.peerconnection.enabled (Double click the value field and make sure it says "False")
That should be about it guys, next time please atleast do a google search guys, so many articles/websites explaining how to disable these things in firefox.
Yes i'm using normal browsers, however my original vm has mozilla installed so when i clone that vm for new ebay accs, the files get cloned too including the mozilla that was installed but never used. The disabling of those three things is necessary to make sure nothing leaks to ebay, only takes a minute.

i heard that its not the best idea to just disabling them , since ebay will get suspicious why is it not appearing in the fingerprint they get ,

[dazller_the_great]

Originally Posted by sirchris

they can 100% detect virtual machines now with there javascript check along with other things (cpu timing fingerprinting among others) whether they are acting on it is another thing.

yes ,probably this is exactly whats happening

[dazller_the_great]

my own experience with vm have a different story , i get suspended every time i create new ebay on a vm ,
i figured out few things just lately ,
the vm will give a full new fingerprint including the new webgl hash . and new canvas hash , even new audio and media unique key , so every thing will be fresh and new ,which is exactly what you need when creating new ebay , but the problem is that ebay can detect that you are using a vm when they do the webgl fingerpring scan , since this will reveal the gpu fingerprint and model , and this is where the vm falls , i use vmware 15 and the gpu in the control panel show vmware 3d gpu , clearly , so ebay knows that you use vm when they do the webgl scan ,
i didnt try disabling it in firefox browser , so i dont know what will happen if i did ,

[Doctor453]

Originally Posted by dazller_the_great

i heard that its not the best idea to just disabling them , since ebay will get suspicious why is it not appearing in the fingerprint they get ,

Agreed it's best to have a unique fingerprint and not disabling anything but if you have to do it then you can do it this way. Thanks for the webgl info, i think i have a way to make it so a website cannot detect if you're using VM, need to test it but i used to use it to play games in VM that had vm disabled. Alternatively maybe there is some way to ⊗⊗⊗⊗/spoof webgl to display something else instead of disabling it. Also, are you simply cloning original virtual machine everytime you want to make new ebay/pp account or doing it some other way? I haven't checked but i've assumed if i clone my original VM that has only mozilla installed but never used, then it should be fine if i reset the useragent and disable the other things. The WebGL i will stop disabling and try something else though.

[glacier922]

Is webgl the sole culprit ? How do you disable it in Firefox ?

[Roxt3R]

Very interesting topic. I'm expecting some experts jump into this thread and give a proper answer.

[netter]

Althrough this is a bit technical, I highly recommend the following research paper written by Google engineers: https://storage.googleapis.com/pub-t.../pdf/45581.pdf

"In this work we present Picasso: a lightweight device class fingerprinting protocol that allows a server to verify the software and hardware stack of a mobile or desktop client. As an example, Picasso can distinguish between traffic sent by an authentic iPhone running Safari on iOS from an emulator or desktop client spoofing the same configuration."

They are not checking your IP, geolocation etc, only 2D/3D drawing techniques involved. This is what they use (beside other things) to determine whether you have to fill out ReCaptcha or not. By the way I have changed from VMs to virtual profiles because of the high resource usage and it took too much time to change between profiles, and I still have all of my eBay accounts.

[glacier922]

What is a virtual profile?

[Pandoras_box]

Originally Posted by tinsoldier

I can 100% guarantee that even if they tried they would not be able to detect that I'm operating multiple accounts via virtual machines.

He did not say your multiple stealth accounts can be detected, he said your VM can be detected.

Hopefully, you do not dispute that and make folly of yourself.

[Pandoras_box]

Originally Posted by glacier922

Is webgl the sole culprit ? How do you disable it in Firefox ?

See what info WebGL divulges and decide for yourself if you think eBay might be harvesting it.

https://browserleaks.com/webgl

Block WebGL in FF

Firefox: about:config find “webgl.disabled” change value to "true"

This will not work with all version as their dev keeps moving things around with new releases.

[Pandoras_box]

Originally Posted by tinsoldier

I do

My VMs ( plural) cannot be linked.

Can't you grab one of your grandchildren to read sirchris' comment, your reply and my follow up and then explain it to you?

Originally Posted by tinsoldier

To many on this forum don’t know what they’re talking about so decide to call out those that do. Now that’s folly.

You've recently inferred on another thread that it is useless to log IPs when using multiple accounts on eBay.
Now you're feigning comprehension problems when you should have been quiet about a topic you know very little of.
A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

[netter]

Originally Posted by glacier922

What is a virtual profile?

I was referring to antidetect browsers like Linken Sphere or Kameleo.