why not use a regular CC?

[MM78]

Originally Posted by paulperson

What I mean is I do not need 10 stealth accounts.
I just need 1 that works and does not get linked

Sorry but that's like saying, "I just need the Winning Lotto Numbers"...DUH! Do you honestly think we suggest making several for our health?

The more Accounts, the better odds you have of actually making money.

I don't really understand why peoples need to create 10 accounts with vanilla cards. So I am asking.

And you never will......

The above process seems simple to me and I do not see why not everybody here is using it.

Your right....everyone else here who has been stealthing for a long time are idiots.....how dare anyone give you tips on how to do things safely.

Maybe you should write your own Stealth Book so we can all learn from you.

[paulperson]

I am asking questions to understand.
You don't have to be a tuuuuuuuuuuuuuut about it

I am new here and trying to understand. is it wrong to ask?

If you have to keep creating accounts doesn't that mean that there is a problem?

Again sorry I ask that might seems obvious to you but does not seem obvious to me

[MM78]

Originally Posted by paulperson

I am asking questions to understand.
You don't have to be a tuuuuuuuuuuuuuut about it

Yes I do......I do.

I am new here and trying to understand. is it wrong to ask?

Your questioning our methods as if were the ones talking out of our asses.

If you have to keep creating accounts doesn't that mean that there is a problem?

What's wrong with having multiple Accounts? Why do people have more than 1 car? Why do people have multiple Computers, Pens?
Think about it, you had 1 "good" account...what happened to it? It got banned. Now, if you had 5 accounts as backups or selling....don't you think that losing your 1st account wouldn't be a huge deal?

There is no such thing as a "Safe" Account! As you saw with your real account....it got banned.

[Taking The Micky]

paulperson, all accounts either with real info or stealth info will last forever if run correctly.

Amazon don't want to suspend accounts, they want people to sell lots of goods.

Most accounts that get suspended are by run people who are lousy sellers, poor products,
there metrics are bad, poor feed back, rude or not answering customer queries in a timely manner.

Other sellers get suspended or deleted for selling counterfeit product, fraudulent trading, or linked to an old account.

Amazon want people who are professional sellers who work to the same standard as amazon,send the correct goods out on time etc. If you cannot do this you will get suspended.

[GhostOfAmazon]

Originally Posted by paulperson

I am not getting you.

I guess my question is on here there seems to be 3 or 4 ways to create a new account. don't put ssn, some say put random name, ...
This is ok but I do not see how these new accounts created with random names can last in the long run.
I have not created 100 accounts I am just saying that using Random names seems to be good to create an account lasting a month but how can a random name, no SSN entered account last ????

For a new account to last doesn't it have to be all legit or as clost to all legit as possible?

how do accounts with random names last or prepaid cards last ?
Sorry if I don't understand all, I am new here and to the process.

How can they run? They run because Amazon has no reason to randomly check your ID if you're following their policies and your customers are happy.

Asking "how can the accounts with ⊗⊗⊗⊗ names run" is like asking why Snookie is famous. It doesn't matter, it just is.

[paulperson]

Originally Posted by MM78

What's wrong with having multiple Accounts? Why do people have more than 1 car? Why do people have multiple Computers, Pens?
Think about it, you had 1 "good" account...what happened to it? It got banned. Now, if you had 5 accounts as backups or selling....don't you think that losing your 1st account wouldn't be a huge deal?

There is no such thing as a "Safe" Account! As you saw with your real account....it got banned.

Yes I understand that backups are good and "safer".
If I decide to create 5 accounts.
How do I get 5 EINs ?

[rsot]

Just for clarification - and to share my own experience - you could use a regular cc (I have for Amazon) - I have changed the address on the card with the bank to match my stealth account. It will pass stealth name BUT it can only be used EVER for Amazon...so not a great option for proper stealth.

Plus you don't want a site having access to a real cc with a large credit limit and ties to YOUR real credit history - just fyi

[paulperson]

Originally Posted by Taking The Micky

paulperson, all accounts either with real info or stealth info will last forever if run correctly.

Amazon don't want to suspend accounts, they want people to sell lots of goods.

Most accounts that get suspended are by run people who are lousy sellers, poor products,
there metrics are bad, poor feed back, rude or not answering customer queries in a timely manner.

Other sellers get suspended or deleted for selling counterfeit product, fraudulent trading, or linked to an old account.

Amazon want people who are professional sellers who work to the same standard as amazon,send the correct goods out on time etc. If you cannot do this you will get suspended.

I understand that. We do 100% FBA and we sale legit products.
so with good metrics and running a good account I still need:

Per Account:
1 - new LLC with new name
2 - New credit card or vanilla card that passes verification.
3 - a new address: UPS Store.
4 - new Internet access and Mac address and Laptop

How do peoples with multiples stealth accounts handle that?
Multiples addresses, multiples LLC with EIN ?
Multiple ........ ????????
The reason why I kept asking about why not just 1 account is that it seems hard enough to make 1 new stealth account so 5 seems to be undoable.

I could see getting 1 account suspended and opening a new LLC as this does not happen daily but creating like 5 new LLC in a week to have 5 accounts seems to be undoable ?

[paulperson]

Originally Posted by rsot

Just for clarification - and to share my own experience - you could use a regular cc (I have for Amazon) - I have changed the address on the card with the bank to match my stealth account. It will pass stealth name BUT it can only be used EVER for Amazon...so not a great option for proper stealth.

Plus you don't want a site having access to a real cc with a large credit limit and ties to YOUR real credit history - just fyi

Yes that I understand. It's a good to use 1 time.
And stealth the idea is to be able to create many accounts just in case and thus vanilla cards are a lot easier.

But in many stealth. I get that bellow 50 you don't need an EIN but as you grow (I hope to sale more than 50 items a year) you then need proper tax identification ?

[MM78]

Originally Posted by paulperson

Yes I understand that backups are good and "safer".
If I decide to create 5 accounts.
How do I get 5 EINs ?

You open 5 LLC's for each Account....Then you apply for an EIN for each LLC. This is the basic stuff....Please consult your Tax Professional for further assistance.

[paulperson]

so peoples with 20 accounts have 20 LLC and 20 EINs?

Is there a trick to maybe get 2 EIN per llc ?

[MM78]

Originally Posted by paulperson

so peoples with 20 accounts have 20 LLC and 20 EINs?

That's the basics of how it works.....Remember, you don't have to have 20, 30, 40 all running at the same time....You can have 2-3 or more at the same time. Also I believe you can close an LLC thus killing the EIN but I'm not 100% sure.

Is there a trick to maybe get 2 EIN per llc ?

Don't know, maybe someone knows.

[GhostOfAmazon]

Originally Posted by paulperson

Yes that I understand. It's a good to use 1 time.
And stealth the idea is to be able to create many accounts just in case and thus vanilla cards are a lot easier.

But in many stealth. I get that bellow 50 you don't need an EIN but as you grow (I hope to sale more than 50 items a year) you then need proper tax identification ?

YOU DON'T NEED EIN'S OR LLCS!

GIVE AMAZON CAKE!

THEY JUST REQUIRE RESUBMISSION OF THE INFO EVERY 30 DAYS!

The 1099-K policy is in its infacy...it was started in 2011. Believe me, the IRS will take your money with or without a 1099-K. Self-report your income, or don't....that's not the subject of this forum.

You can pay your taxes without ever getting a business license, LLC, or EIN. You simply report your Gross income, your expenses, etc and pay the amount you owe. If this is to confusing for you to understand, consult a tax professional.

But please, don't come here whining about LLCs and EINs. They are NOT necessary to sell stuff on eBay/Amazon, not even for multiple accounts. This "you need an EIN to be legitimate" rumor needs to STOP!

The IRS couldn't care less if you classify yourself as an LLC or Sole Proprietor, so long as you pay your taxes!

[rsot]

Originally Posted by paulperson

so peoples with 20 accounts have 20 LLC and 20 EINs?

Is there a trick to maybe get 2 EIN per llc ?

And spread sales among different accounts

[machine1]

There the ruthless side of the game where people who try to corner a certain market will try to get u kicked off . Now this isn't always the case but its out there . As for me I have to have many stealths for many reasons because I like to corner a certain market or item. Buying customer habits will buy from the the first 4 sellers and you know what im the first 4 sellers . If a person who doesn't like me because of my store name or less feedback or what ever reason they will go to the 2nd or 3rd buyer . In my case the first 3 sellers for an item.

[machine1]

Originally Posted by rsot

And spread sales among different accounts

Yes there is a trick none of my 30 accounts has ein number or ssn but I still have to pay taxes because they go to a real bank account that's under my name

[quantum773]

I just tried to open an account with 25 vanilla visa, didnt work. Seems like they're cracking down on this. Went and changed my billing address on a real cc to match my stealth address and it worked fine. Passed the checkpoint, now I'm curious to see what would happen if I changed my billing address back.

[quantum773]

Just tried to open a new acct with a 25 vanilla visa and didnt work. Looks like they're really cracking down. I went and changed my billing address on my real cc to match my stealth address and it worked fine. Now Im curious to see what would happen if I changed my billing address back.

[hodgesdavid684]

Originally Posted by paulperson

I guess I do not need "Stealth" what I need is a working account to sale on AZ

I guess you don't belong here then. Last time I checked this forum is for STEALTH discussion, not more not less.

[Taking The Micky]

Originally Posted by hodgesdavid684

I guess you don't belong here then. Last time I checked this forum is for STEALTH discussion, not more not less.

Not very welcoming are you.

[SM2015]

Machine1 and GhostofAmazon

What is cake, I have been searching forums..what is it.

How do we not use EIN or SSN
I know about spreading sales out which is doable with Ebay, but
not really with amazon.

GhostofAmazon, I know you are talking about Amazon,
how do we do it, how do I give them cake!

Machine1, what is the trick!

Feel free to PM me!

I appreciate all the learning on these forums.

Thank you!

[JamesNorth101]

Cake = Non genuine product.