Can someone explain to me the angst against 21 day holds?

[RosieTosie]

Originally Posted by MM78

Yes, that's called a poor business plan where the seller never bothered to take into account all the cost involved. Every item I've ever sold, or looked into I did the math, the cost of the item, shipping cost, tracking number, hell even the cost of my gas is taken into account.

Now if these sellers you speak of never bothered to do the math then that is what I call "Piss poor planning".


Expensive is a relative term, what someone considers expensive might not be to the next person.

Your first comment clearly made it sound like most of the people using and contributing to this forum sell items that have enough value for tracking to be provided on them, whereas the reality is that newcomers to the forum, in other words the very people that this forum is here to ask the questions for and provide the solutions to, do not, and could not even if they wanted to, sell only items that it is worth providing tracking on, they don't have high enough listing limits!

[nearnu]

Originally Posted by RosieTosie

Your first comment clearly made it sound like most of the people using and contributing to this forum sell items that have enough value for tracking to be provided on them, whereas the reality is that newcomers to the forum, in other words the very people that this forum is here to ask the questions for and provide the solutions to, do not, and could not even if they wanted to, sell only items that it is worth providing tracking on, they don't have high enough listing limits!

International shipping is a gamble without tracking. But I know a lot of people do it for clothing and accessories, especially vintage. To ship to australia for example is 45 that would be of an item like a scarf. I no longer do it, but I know a lot of people that do. Its frustrating that you used to be able to do airmail to a lot of places but now its required to have tracking.

[MM78]

Originally Posted by RosieTosie

Your first comment clearly made it sound like most of the people using and contributing to this forum sell items that have enough value for tracking to be provided on them

Here's the thing, if people use Paypal as a payment processor then you have to play by their rules. People asking "How to avoid", "How to bypass", "Workarounds" to 21 day holds are obviously not ready to do business with Paypal. When I sell on a fresh account I know that the 21 day hold will be in place and I know exactly what to expect.

whereas the reality is that newcomers to the forum, in other words the very people that this forum is here to ask the questions for and provide the solutions to

It's one thing for people to come here and ask for help it's another to be able to provide everyone with what they want/need. Do you know how many people come to the forum asking, "How to withdraw funds without a bank account?".....more than you think. Unfortunately we don't have magic wands to help everyone with their wants.

[pokerpro]

I guess there are probably situations that people have where the hold is a biggie to them.....for me, since 21 day holds are not really 21 days.......except on International sales.....I can't find a way around that.........but anyway, they are just part of the game...I just grin and bear it, and it gives me something to look forward to!

[GreenBean]

Still comes done to the methof of account creation and operating the business plan.

Enlighten me what we say to these dozies

'I wanna dropship goods cuz I ain't not no money and I dont wanna have holds'

Read the threads, the issues are being repeated all the time.

The paypal account is not of a standard to fit paypal's needs.

Not rocket science.

[rsot]

Originally Posted by nearnu

International shipping is a gamble without tracking. But I know a lot of people do it for clothing and accessories, especially vintage. To ship to australia for example is 45 that would be of an item like a scarf. I no longer do it, but I know a lot of people that do. Its frustrating that you used to be able to do airmail to a lot of places but now its required to have tracking.

All about the risk and profit margin - is it worth to ship international with all these guidelines in place for your business is the question

[danshan]

I hate hold not because im a scammer or dropshipper because sorry a#$ paypal will limit my account 1 day after the item is delivered and hold my money on that item for eternity sometimes depending on the setup. I even had them limit accts with money and deactivate the bank on the account.

[yankee]

I have never personally have had an issue with paypal and I break just about every rule this forum suggests.
I am assuming it is just my items I sell.

[danshan]

It is just once again you are too good

[danshan]

Hey yankee how the heck you get on a limited banned forum if you never had a problem with paypal?

[yankee]

I had my decade old PERSONAL ebay account limited for being a "Controlled Status Seller"

[danshan]

I do not know what that is but it sounds like you had a problem

[danshan]

So you are saying you create new accts sell 15k a day on them and do lots of them and never had 1 limited

[yankee]

Basically I controlled to much of a market and, well, controlled the price, visibility, etc....

[danshan]

Sounds like you should be the one writing the ebooks, i do not even think aspkin can make that claim

[yankee]

I have never had a problem personally. I have had two of my sellers have a big problem, but it was based on high velocity, low credit scores, rolling reserves and bad attitudes and then an attorney. Lost a good amount of money.

BUT it was not my accounts.

[danshan]

Well i once had more marbles than the neighbor kid!

[yankee]

Originally Posted by danshan

So you are saying you create new accts sell 15k a day on them and do lots of them and never had 1 limited

I buy those aged accounts and yes, collect a bunch of money in a few days. Keep in mind, I have only been into the stealth stuff for a few months. All my other accounts are EIN accounts.

With that said, I have handled a good amount of money since November 30th doing this. By-the-way, I am not the only one on this forum doing the same thing.

[danshan]

Come on am i really the only one reading this that does stealth, come on

[danshan]

Yankee who else on this forum is buying accts and running 15k a day through them on this forum, who?

[danshan]

Yankee my friend you dont have to act cool to hang out

[yankee]

Originally Posted by danshan

Yankee who else on this forum is buying accts and running 15k a day through them on this forum, who?

Well, someone recently posted 20K a week on a single stealth. Very well and reputable member. I chat with him all the time for his experience.

By the way, neither of us had a limited paypal account this fall and far exceeded 20K. It has been discussed by both of us on several threads all fall.