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Use the EXP USE Feature, have them charge the $1.95 to the card so that you can get the 4 digit pin to veify that credit card. As I mentioned before the simon cards as well as any bank issued cards are all backed by visa. I can not see PP saying yes to one and no to another.

Try the EXP USE and see what happens.
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Hi All

Question about cookies.

Most normal users do not clear their cookies constantly.
ebay knows a stealth player needs to clear cookies.

So when you log into eBay, and 50 times out of 50 they have to give you a new cookie because you don't already have one, isn't this A BIG RED FLAG ?

If I were designing the tracking AI for eBay I would definitely look at this pattern, and those guys are probably smarter than me...

I wonder if there is a program out there for cookie management; save all cookies from a site, then selectively give the right one back to them on each login.
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Default Question abt definition of terms

Does anyone know what is a confirmed account, and an unconfirmed one, for eBay.
The A-Z glossary has no entries for these terms. They reserve the right to terminate an unconfirmed account anytime.

Also: about Paypal account linking

I know that just providing a Paypal email in a listing is not "Linking" . Then what constitutes linking?
Going to Paypal and pulling down the "Auctions" menu, and entering an ebay member ID, is THAT linking?
Or is it the option in eBay's My personal Information, to specify a Paypal acct, that's considered linking?


And one more question:
Trying to sell in markets like Singapore, where there are no seller fees, is that a high risk action , for a US account?

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This is what ebay sent my acct before I found out about your forum...My account is suspended for 45 days because of an old bank card I forgot to change...so What is your take on this?

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Maybe we should think about having more than 1 or 2 browser's?
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i was selling some softwares untill one of the customers put in a complaint about me on purpose. was my fault though, id forgotten to send it through recorded delivery, till the customer used that as an opportunity to get his money back and get the product. anyways he sent me emails trying to irratate me that how he was doing me in for a free software and had no evidence he received it. as irrateted as i was, ebay then suspended me and started asking me a whole load of information which i couldnt provide like a receipt of where i bought it. got the stock from a mate who joins a store and others, they all buy together in bulk to get a massive discount which then he sells onto me. therefore have no receipts. they asked to provide proof. was unable to. been since last year i got annoyed and havent gone back on, them holding my money, unable to do anything for months as they held my funds.

sorry for making it long, well basically, ive understood the guide so far, but a question. do you pay for the simon cards as a monthly fee, if so do i have to get one for every single paypal account?
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The is no monthly fee for a simon card, you have to use the funds on the card before within 1 year. The only fee foir simon is the initial $2.00 they charge you. Which is cheap compared to some of the other VCC's or prepaid cards.
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Was the old bank card linked to a suspended account or did the expiration come and go and you forgot to update it on ebay?
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Quickie -

Linking your ebay account to paypal is not recommended especially if that PP account has suspended user info on it.
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Default Jack brought up some questions..........

Jack has brought up some questions and I wanted to go into detail about them for everyone here.

1) If you're using dial-up, do you think aol is still a big help in this, or would you might as well just use your existing ISP?

I am on a DSL line which coneects to a router then to my computers. I use AOL 9.0 VR to login to ebay and paypal and this throws out the AOL IP.
When you are in AOL you can go to WhatismyIP and it will tell you the IP you are sitting on, usually it is a VA IP. This does not raise flags as ebay knows people use AOL to connect to the internet BUT some will say that there are scripts that can read the unlying IP address which is your home IP. I have not found this to be true and even when I changed a password on an account, I got an email from Ebay stating a change was made and from what IP it came from.. the IP listed was AOL not my home IP.

You can also use YouHide or Freeproxyserver to connect to ebay, mind you though that you do not have control over which IP you will be coming from. With YouHide you can select not to have cookies (but they are needed to login to ebay) or not to have scripts run.
I use them when I want to browse for things or check up on auctions that I am running.

2) Does this include Google Checkout too? Which merchant accounts are you talking about here, and which do you recommend?

Since Ebay forces you to either have your own merchant account or use Paypal when you try and list an item, You can select to use your own merchant account if you do not want to use paypal. By doing this you can list in your auctions that you take visa/mastercard, discover etc etc and list in the auction that you take them thru online services, some of which you can list in your auction like bidpay. Check ebays list of who they allow for your to mention. Google checkout is not one of them, you can read the threads here about that or google it to see the rivalry.
But that does not mean in your end of auction email that you send to the buyer that you can not offer it as well as others like Alertpay

I use and offer the following services BidPay, Alertpay, PP and my own merchant account. My merchant account is with First Data which was obtained thru cardservices International

3) How do you find the addresses? Do you work for the usps? Please point to where I too can find this data. Also, can you recycle the same phone number without ebay noticing, or have you just been lucky with one single account that you haven't needed to get a new one? For the purposes of linking accounts (ebay to paypal) could you use your real name and then a ⊗⊗⊗⊗ (but real) address and then link them and that would work? If you've read my other threads, you know why I need this, as ebay needs a linked account to do buy it now on newer accounts (under 10 fb) and international trade.

First, I do not work for the poorly run and over priced USPS. How do I get addresses for my accounts it is really simple and there are mutliple ways to get them and even have some payback fun with them. Okay here are a couple of ways to do this....
1) Go to Google Maps, now type in your real address and click search. You will see that they bring up your address and also you will see all the streets in your surronding area. Just zoom in if you need a closer look.

You can also find the street names in an area that you want to use for ebay for example. Go to google maps and type in Detroit, Michigan Zoom all the way in and now you have street names, now at the top click the link that says "find businesses" and type in gas station or pizza or food store.
For this we will type in "pizza" and whola on the left hand side you have physical addresses with zip codes that you can use.

2) Drive around your area and write down the names of the streets.

Now for the fun addresses or as I call them MofoAddresses. These are the addresses that are provided to you by buyers or sellers. If you hate a seller or a buyer stiffed you on a chargeback you have his/her info. Use that information to create an account, you can add apt 1 if you would like or leave it as is. Ebay allows for multiple accounts with the same address, but will suspend all of them if wrong doing is done by one.... do you see what I am getting at. The goal with these is not so much to make money but to use them as a way to get the original buyer/seller kicked by association... HA HA LOL Fun Stuff.....

About the phone numbers, you can get a phone number in any area you want thru PrivatePhone or you can get a number associated to the address you used when you got you AOL account thru AimPhone

So for the example we used with google and pizza, Once you have the physical address and they will also provide you with the business telephone number you can go to private phone and sign up using the info given and selecting the correct area code for that area.

With private phone and aimphone they are free, you can upgrade for a monthly fee to make outgoing calls if you want but they suit the purpose of what they are needed for. Also to keep them free they must be used at least once in a month. This is fine as all you have to do is pull out your list of numbers and call them all on 1 day to keep them active or you can go to craigslist and post an ad as a lonely lady needing to talk to someone and give the number. Thay will call the number for you, no cost to you.

As far as using your Real name with a ⊗⊗⊗⊗ address, If your real name was suspended before and you are going to use a your real name again with an addy say in your general area, this might work for awhile but then you might get caught up and suspended again. If you want to use your real name put a variation on it. For example, If your name is Richard use Dick or Rich. You can add Sr. Jr. or II

Now for international trade you really do not have to worry that much if your concern is say checks or money orders, Unless you are using western union which they ask for ID when you go pick up your money.

As to how to get around the verifying info if your account is limited by paypal... well other than them asking for a SS# you can provide them with whatever they want. They want a phone bill or utility bill... no problem... scan your phone bill then use editing software to change the name and address on the bill. Black out information that they do not need to see such as account # or the telephone numbers you called. Remember if you are using a addy in your area, they most likely use the same companies for electric or phone as you. Paypal can call the companies but the companies will not give out any personal information due to privacy only with a court order will they do so..

4) Using paypal effectively with bad info....Here are the steps I use to create the account, verify the account, double verify the account and begin getting cash.

a) Open an account with the info you used with ebay
b) add a VCC to the account
c) add a bank account to the account (free 9 cents)
d) use the EXP with the VCC to get double verified.
e) after about 15 days start taking money in slowly, small amounts. Let that Verified member feedback number grow for completed transaction. Paypal like Ebay uses that number as a way of trusting you.
f) over time you can let the payments to you get bigger and bigger. Don't go from taking $6 payments to a $100's within... LOL

Now on the off chance paypal limits you - If a customer pays then refund them so the money does not sit in the account. Explain to them that currently you can not take paypal thru that account, send them an invoice thru another account but DO NOT reference the auction number, their ebay id or your ebay id. Just state the product or what whatever you want but be sure to tell the buyer that the invoice is coming from "so and so" with the subject of "whatever" they will pay if they want the item especially since if you offer to take money orders as your only other option.

5) With a new account you won't have the high number of verified transactions. It's not a super big deal, but I feel it may help the customer to feel more secure doing business with you, if the number of completed transactions is high. Do you know what I'm talking about, and have you ever noticed it making a difference?

Honestly, that number means squat to a buyer, it means more to paypal. The customer is so brainwashed that they are protected with paying with paypal that they do not even bother to look. This is how I think of it "as a buyer" with using paypal. I send the payment using my CC as the source, if the package does not come and paypal does not get me my refund... chargeback here I come. Also, before someone states paypals new policy on chargebacks, that policy can just collect dust as it is not legally binding. In the long run, paypal is the merchant processor and they use their merchant account to process the payments. Therefore they are repsonsible for the item to be delivered, that is why when you do a chargeback, you get your money and PP gets stuck holding the bag if the seller ducks out on the account. Paypal is an open source for abuse and in reality they can not protect themselves if someone wanted to beat them up.
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what do you mean by

"add a bank account to the account (free 9 cents)"
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WOW!

Thank you so much for all your time in posting these great methods...I am in awe how you dial it right in!

I am SO glad to have found this forum!
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FeeBay, awesome information! But I do have a couple more questions. To clarify:

1) I've never used these proxy services. Do you have to use them to dial in, or after you're connected through your own ISP? Do you not have to clear cookies when using these services or disconnect and reconnect to the internet to use them? That would be a plus for me as I use dial up and any change entails having to clear disconnect to the internet, clearing cookies, and then reconnect. It would be a time saver.

2) If offering different services, how do you recommend "mentioning" this to the customer? I will assume that any mention prior to auction close would be bad. And you probably don't want to use the official My Messages to send this information to the customer. But, how do you offer the other options? Do you just send them a bill however you like, or do you email the winner/buyer telling them their different options, ask them to select, and then send them a bill? In my experience, many times if you're not fast with your invoice you'll wind up with a paypal payment from the customer before you can blink. How do you avoid or minimize this chance for yourself (not you personally, but you as in the general sense)?

3) Wow. And MwaHaHaHa. I may use this on my recent bad buyer. So ebay doesn't do a check on these addresses to see if they're business or whatever? Also, I assume you just make sure the phone prefix and everything matches the area of the address correct? I suppose this would be another way to get back at a buyer/seller right? Supplying their number and advertising it as something popular (lonely ladies hehe) might drive them crazy with calls. LOL. But assuming that ebay may call that number, how could you use the business number, unless of course you don't mind annoying that business and the risk that ebay might suspend you if it doesn't match? Did I misunderstand that part? Or did you mean that you only use the business number to get the prefix and area code?

As for having fun with bad buyers/sellers, could the following hypothetical situation be easily possible?

A buyer is obviously only buying so they can leave you a negative, and you're pretty sure that this new "buyer" is actually another buyer who created this account so his own wouldn't be affected by leaving a negative. Solution: Create a new account using the name and address of the bad buyer. Then create another account using the name and address of the person with the high feedback account who screwed you via the bad buyer. Buy cheap .01 items 10 or so at a time under this information. Then let it sit for 30 days, or start selling immediately (depending on whether or not you actually want this account to stand a chance of surviving). Then with the backup account, begin your regular account building--you'll already have a name and address picked out for yourself. Since that account is built on information created by a user with no feedback, it couldn't hurt him, whereas the user with a lot of feedback could be hurt quite a lot by being suspended if your account ever was. In essence, you would have a "practice" account to try out anything you like, best case you would rack up lots of feedback quick and worse case you get suspended and so does the seller who hurt you on the other account. A win/win in other words.

4) Yes, I'm confused about the adding a bank account too. How can you add a bank account with different information than the name you registered under? I didn't think that would work.

5) I always thought that if there is no money in the other person's account that Paypal couldn't refund your money and you would have to charge back? But you're saying the customer will get their money back every time and it's Paypal who is stiffed no matter what?
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can someone please help. i thought AOL was free? ive spent the last 5 hours downloading aol 9.0 and 9.0VR and trying like 15 times now, which says its free. but as soon as its finished installing, and try using it, it asks me if i am a current user (THE AOL EMAIL I SIGNED UP FOR, THE DETAILS DOESNT WORK HERE) and if i select a new member (asks me for a registration number etc.???) is this not free? Am i doing something wrong here? also is AOL almost impossible to uninstall completely off the computer. luckily with my fair understanding of computers. i managed to manually go in and rip out every single registry, folders and files hidden/unhidden out of the computer to get it out of my computer. otherwise no such option exists other than reformat whole computer. Complicated procedure but anywayz. can someone guide an ametuer. thanks.
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FeeBay:
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"add a bank account to the account (free 9 cents)"
Hi Quickie,

Just add a bank account to your paypal account. The bank account that you get can be in your real name, PP just wants the routing and account numbers. They make 2 small deposits into it and when they hit your account you have to go back to PP and type those in to verify the account. What I mean by the 9 cents is that the deposits are like .04 and .05 or .06 and .03. Believe me they do not deposit anything above a dollar... or hell for the matter over 10 cents.

You can find bank accounts online without even leaving your house.
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can someone please help. i thought AOL was free? ive spent the last 5 hours downloading aol 9.0 and 9.0VR and trying like 15 times now, which says its free. but as soon as its finished installing, and try using it, it asks me if i am a current user (THE AOL EMAIL I SIGNED UP FOR, THE DETAILS DOESNT WORK HERE) and if i select a new member (asks me for a registration number etc.???) is this not free? Am i doing something wrong here? also is AOL almost impossible to uninstall completely off the computer. luckily with my fair understanding of computers. i managed to manually go in and rip out every single registry, folders and files hidden/unhidden out of the computer to get it out of my computer. otherwise no such option exists other than reformat whole computer. Complicated procedure but anywayz. can someone guide an ametuer. thanks.
First go to get a free email account
Then dowload the software here
Then after the software downloads and it asks you to select if you are an existing member or a new member just exit out of the setup. This will leave an icon on your computer to double click the program. When you do, AOL loads and in the drop down box 3 options appear
1) New Member
2) Existing Member
3) Guest

Select Guest and click sign on.... The running man will appear in the bottom right corner and will go thru the steps to find AOL. It will then pop up and screen asking you for your screenname and password. Enter them and you are in.... NOTE: In order for you to use the AOL 9.0 VR program you need to already have and internet connection that AOL can sit on. If you do not have an internet connection, then you need to pay for the service to connect to the internet. You can not use this program to get free internet.....
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FeeBay - You can enter banking account information under different name/address information than what you registered under? How's that work? Don't you have a much bigger chance of being limited or outright suspended if you do that?

When you get a chance I had some other questions above. Thanks
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FeeBay, awesome information! But I do have a couple more questions. To clarify:

1) I've never used these proxy services. Do you have to use them to dial in, or after you're connected through your own ISP? Do you not have to clear cookies when using these services or disconnect and reconnect to the internet to use them? That would be a plus for me as I use dial up and any change entails having to clear disconnect to the internet, clearing cookies, and then reconnect. It would be a time saver.

OK, If you are connected to the internet, just open AOL or any browser that you want to use. Type in the address for those services to bring up the webpage. On the webpage there is an area where you can type the address that you want to go to. You will also have checkboxes which you can select as to what you want or do not want. I.E. Cookies or scripts to run. If you are browsing then select cookies, scripts etc... If you want to use it to log into ebay then you will need to let cookies run. NOTE: You can not control the IP address that you come from. I have found that most of them are in the US. You can also pay for the service which upgrades you, so you can use proxies for HTTPS sites like paypal to get in. The fee is not much $40/Yr I think. You should still clear your cookies/history after you are done using it, especially if you are going to go on to another account. I also like to use them thru AOL and really screw around with them that way... Home IP hidden on AOL Server, then in the AOL built in browser go to say youhide and then go to the website you want. So your IP is basically buried 2 deep.... Proxy IP on top of AOL IP on top of Home IP, so then if there are any scripts that can break though and get an underlying IP it would be AOL.


2) If offering different services, how do you recommend "mentioning" this to the customer? I will assume that any mention prior to auction close would be bad. And you probably don't want to use the official My Messages to send this information to the customer. But, how do you offer the other options? Do you just send them a bill however you like, or do you email the winner/buyer telling them their different options, ask them to select, and then send them a bill? In my experience, many times if you're not fast with your invoice you'll wind up with a paypal payment from the customer before you can blink. How do you avoid or minimize this chance for yourself (not you personally, but you as in the general sense)?

In your ebay preferences, uncheck the box for "Ebay Checkout" "Offer Paypal" and select that you have a merchant account. This way when the auction is over the checkout feature is not available to them, You have to uncheck paypal as well, becuase ebay states that any auction that offers paypal the buyer wil automatically get to use checkout plus the "pay now" button will appear in the auctions won category in their my ebay which they can click. That is why you need to uncheck them both. :o
Now, you can send an end of auction email to each buyer with all the info that you want and you can menton google, Alertpay etc etc. You can use ebays system to do it but this might pissed them off as I am sure they have software that scans the emails that goes thru their servers. I use Auctiva
to send my end of auction notices with the info. This way you only need to type it once and it goes to everyone.

3) Wow. And MwaHaHaHa. I may use this on my recent bad buyer. So ebay doesn't do a check on these addresses to see if they're business or whatever? Also, I assume you just make sure the phone prefix and everything matches the area of the address correct? I suppose this would be another way to get back at a buyer/seller right? Supplying their number and advertising it as something popular (lonely ladies hehe) might drive them crazy with calls. LOL. But assuming that ebay may call that number, how could you use the business number, unless of course you don't mind annoying that business and the risk that ebay might suspend you if it doesn't match? Did I misunderstand that part? Or did you mean that you only use the business number to get the prefix and area code?

NO NO My friend, The address is what you want after you get the address go to privatephone and get the phone number. You see the address (location) that you got from google, you use with privatephone by selecting the "area code" you want your free number in, Then you use that number with the address for ebay. BUT yes, you could use the phone number of the buyer/seller as well as long as it is in that area. You can not have a CA. address with a NY phone number. If you are going to do the prank of posting the persons number on the web so they get annoying calls, I HIGHLY suggest that you use a proxy or do a double proxy to hide yourself.

As for having fun with bad buyers/sellers, could the following hypothetical situation be easily possible?

A buyer is obviously only buying so they can leave you a negative, and you're pretty sure that this new "buyer" is actually another buyer who created this account so his own wouldn't be affected by leaving a negative. Solution: Create a new account using the name and address of the bad buyer. Then create another account using the name and address of the person with the high feedback account who screwed you via the bad buyer. Buy cheap .01 items 10 or so at a time under this information. Then let it sit for 30 days, or start selling immediately (depending on whether or not you actually want this account to stand a chance of surviving). Then with the backup account, begin your regular account building--you'll already have a name and address picked out for yourself. Since that account is built on information created by a user with no feedback, it couldn't hurt him, whereas the user with a lot of feedback could be hurt quite a lot by being suspended if your account ever was. In essence, you would have a "practice" account to try out anything you like, best case you would rack up lots of feedback quick and worse case you get suspended and so does the seller who hurt you on the other account. A win/win in other words.

Correct, You can use the account to test whatever you want to see if it will work and if anything bad happens (suspended) this could be associated back to the buyer/seller you want to attack so to speak. OR you can use that account to go and continually buy the sellers items and not pay for them until he blocks you or even better.... If the info is associated to that seller Ebay might think he is shill bidding....

4) Yes, I'm confused about the adding a bank account too. How can you add a bank account with different information than the name you registered under? I didn't think that would work.

When you go to the bank - open the account with your real name and info. For paypal you just add the routing and account numbers, they make 2 deposits into it, you check with your bank for those amounts and then enter them into paypal and you are verified. PP does not check names/addy of account. They figure since you can verify the deposit amounts, you have access to the account so it must be yours. The bank does not see names only numbers from where it is coming from and dollar amounts. NOTE: You can not add a bank account that you have in NJ for a paypal account with an addy in CA. Each state for banks has a specific routing number, no bank uses the same routing number for all the branches.

5) I always thought that if there is no money in the other person's account that Paypal couldn't refund your money and you would have to charge back? But you're saying the customer will get their money back every time and it's Paypal who is stiffed no matter what?
Yes, What you are saying is correct to a point. For example - a buyer pays for the item. The seller runs off with the money, the buyer files the dispute with paypal for a refund. Seller does not repsond as he is gone, paypal tells the buyer.. YOU WON THE DISPUTE but unfortunately we can not get your money back.... as the buyer you file a chargeback with your credit card company and they will refund you. Thus, doing a chargeback on paypal for the amount. Paypal will then be stuck with the chargeback which they will try and get back from the seller. Paypal, might also freeze the buyers account for doing the chargeback as well. The buyer also might get money back thru the "ebay/paypal insurance" that they have. All in All though, the buyer will get their money back and paypal holds the bag. NOTE: This is why when you pay for something thru paypal ALWAYS use a credit card as the source of payment. This is also why paypal is an open source for abuse, wanna make $300 or more in 1 day? I will tell you how for $5.00. :D
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you can always from yourself with paypal..lolhehehehe
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ok im still having problems. ok to make sure im not being stupid. these are the steps i am taking. im from the uk, i dont know if that is making a difference.

Step 1.
a)created an aol.co.uk account
b)hen downloaded aol 9.0VR
i have to allow it to install otherwise it doesnt do nothing but try installing again
c)double click the aol icon
d)click sign on as a guest user
e)enter details but it says login incorrect(but i can log into the email address with same details on aim)
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i think im gona give up on this. i was so looking forward to trying this clever method but having no luck at all. ive tried three different email accounts and still not working. all saying incorrect log in but i can log in with same details in email. im out of breath now. dont know what else i can do.
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