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Virtual Private Network
 

I have High Speed Cable and my provider wont change the ip and I have tried to change it myself. I now need to look at VPN "Virtual Private Network" or?

I have heard some talk about AOL on here? Are you referring to dial up or?

Is there free VPN out there? What is VPN software? What solution do I need and how can I search for it in google?

Is there a free VPN service out there?

Thank You

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Mobile IP address?
 

"Our current research shows that all proxies, IP masking/cloaking tools, VPN, etc. will get you busted by EBAY. At best, they will throw your account into close scrutiny."

Has anyone tried to access eBay using a mobile IP address? In other words, has anyone used their blackberry or dedicated connection card as a modem? It seems with a wireless connection card, it gets a new IP every hour, and resetting the IP is very, very easy. You've also got broadband speed with most providers. However, the IP is never near where you are. For example, if you use Sprint (I know, they suck) in South Carolina, 90% it will show a non proxy IP in Kansas.


It also seems that if you use listing programs such as Auctiva, or Turbo lister, you don't really need to login to your eBay account anyway.

1. You can respond to customer questions directly to their email address, without logging into eBay. Services like Gmail don't even show your IP with the message.* (unless I'm mistaken, then please tell me!)

2. If you manage different "un-linkable" accounts, the only thing you would need to look at is your eBay account balance.* (Unless you're Modee who has figured out how to successfully stiff eBay's billing department month after month) There is no point in looking at feedback, simply because there isn't anything you can do about it anymore.

Does anyone know if eBay links you through Turbo lister? For example, has anyone used Turbo Lister to upload different listings for two or more accounts using the same program?

It seems the best set up would be to have a 400 dollar laptop, a Verizon/Sprint connection card, and the other much needed stealth information for each eBay account, and you wouldn't have to work as hard to hide yourself. If 400-500 dollars per laptop and 70 a month for each account is too much money, you're probably not making the kind of money on eBay to even try to not get suspended.

eBay: : "We're suspicious that you log in from a different IP address every time you log into eBay..."

Seller : "But eBay, I use a wireless broadband card for a connection! I can even fax you my bill with my name and address! Can you possibly expect me to get DSL service with a static IP?" (no, they won't)

I really don't know why you would log in to the eBay account more than once a month anyway.

If this has been mentioned before, apologies. (But this thread is 11 pages long!)

Not sure this will be helpful to anyone, but I have found success in using specific Tor identities to log into my peripheral paypal addresses, including printing postage, paying, etc.. This is helpful for me, as it saves the time from switching user accounts, resetting modems, etc. I do however, agree this is NOT a known alternative for listing items for sale or tested in that manner in my experience. The one problem I encountered using Tor/Vidalia/Privoxy for paypal was the first attempt to log in, which caused a suspected 3rd party message. This happened on an unverified paypal. They asked me to then make it verified and I did. Now, everytime I use the same Amsterdam Tor proxy it goes off without a hitch. The first time I tried this was with an account that was accessed firstly from an IP range that was known to paypal as regular for the account, then secondly within an hour from the Amsterdam proxy. This brought the prove who you are questions. In subsequent attempts I left more time between the initial registration connection and the Amsterdam connection. No warnings or questioning as of yet, though these accounts were verified first this time. Essentially: I found a way to log onto paypal and do business through proxy and it seems they just added it to the acceptable addresses for that user.....not exactly hard data but this has been my experience.

IP Masking
 

Hey everyone. i just finished reading the Ebay Stealth manual, and still have a few questions/ concerns. 1) Since my internet provider cannot change my IP address, does AOL really mask your IP address?? or should I subscribe to VPN? 2) how long can I get away with not using a SS# on a new PP account? 3) not sure that I believe that I use my real bank account and routing # with ⊗⊗⊗⊗ name on both Ebay and PP..... Please help!!

1) AOL works yes, it doesn't mask your IP address, you're on a different IP address while using it.

2) The more you sale, more money goes through your account the faster Paypal will want your SS#. Either use more then one Paypal account or go for a Merchant account which is safer.

3) You'll need a new bank account per Paypal account, Paypal can not see details of your bank account so you're okay to use any real account you want really, just as long as it's never been linked with another Paypal account.

Thanks for the info. I am thinking of opening a ebay account under my sister in laws name and SS#. can i use another address (obviously not mine) for ebay and PP verification? should i sign up for PP debit card so i do not have to use a pre-paid card? once again, can a use a another address thatis not my sister in laws?

What VPN are you currently using?

everybody try this?
 

Go to What Is My IP Address? - Lookup IP, Hide IP, Change IP, Trace IP and more... and below your ip let me know if you see a line with red words saying proxy detected. If you are sure you don't have a proxy and it shows you are please post what isp you have. My RR is showing proxy detected. Anyone know why this would be?

I see:
(Now detects many proxy servers)

Or do you mean where it says:
IP Lookup now shows ISP, Organization, Proxy
Status, and Connection Type!

i have rr as well and mine says:
ISP: Road Runner
Organization: Road Runner
Proxy: None detected
Type: Cable/DSL

witchdocda, you see that after clicking on the "Lookup IP Address" button, right?

Suspected proxy server or network sharing device. (details)
(Now detects many proxy servers)

It says the above below my ip address. When i click on details it says:

rDNS FALSE
WIMIA Test TRUE
TOR Test FALSE
Loc Test FALSE
Header Test FALSE
DNSBL Test FALSE


What is Wimia test? Maybe aspkin would know as he has a ip site as well. From the look of it, I passed 5 of the 6 test. My isp is RR so I know its not a proxy. Also I have never used a proxy server ever or installed any software of a proxy so I know that ain't the issue either.

And just to add, it only happened today. The days and months before today, it did not say this. Weird eh?

WIMIA:
http://proxy.org/forum/1196102288.html

Google: Wimia test

I want to know that hiding the IP address worked with eBay and PP ?
there are some programs that give you anonymous IP when surfing Internet.

liketotrade, the answer is no - they do not work. If you try to hide your IP address, they will suspend your account.

Proxy
 

Anyone here have luck using a good pay for service proxy server? I have been using one for my new account now for 2-days and it is working good.. from my tests eBay can not tell who it is.. it changes the IP every 30mins.

Any others?

Totally the wrong thing to do, you're account will not last, think about it this way, when you log into this forum using a proxy, aspkin or modee can most likely tell that you are using a proxy, so ebay with all their sophisticated software know this also, believe me, it's only a matter of time.

So is the sprint card the way to go then? I can get one from verizon for 40$ per month and have a new ip anytime i want from my computer.

I am trying to purchase things from myself on ebay. I will have 3 or 4 seller account selling to new accounts that pop up and buy 500$ worth and then dissappear never to be seen again. I want to make sure that the buyer accounts cant get linked to the seller accounts. Will this work with the verizon mobile card?

Sprint and Verizon just have the fastest data service. I don't want to get into a cell phone argument, but depending on where you live, Sprint could be faster, or Verizon could be faster. The plan with Verizon that is 40 a month is only for 40 megabytes. You'll eat that up in a manner of minutes, and they charge for every kb you go over. Do the unlimited plan, if it's still available. If you have a smart phone, you can use your phone as a modem too, and I don't think there is a limit with that. I use this on my blackberry with Sprint when I travel, and it works really well.

If you're trying to inflate feedback, I wouldn't recommend that at all. eBay does have a complicated logarithm to link accounts**, but you don't want to log in to one account, and then log into another the next minute; eBay will catch onto this. Feedback inflation doesn't really do anything. You'd be better off buying things you'll use anyway, like tape or printer cartridges, and get feedback from other sellers. Most buyers don't really look at sellers feedback anymore simply because eBay makes it seem like you're buying from eBay now instead of from real people.


**I've been doing business with eBay for a long time. Everything has just been ridiculous with them since 11/07. I strongly recommend to anyone just starting out with eBay to not get stuck in the loop of never-ending BS and just get out now. I honestly think 75% of the people on this thread are just bad businessmen, or are trying to commit some form of fraud. If you're really trying to make your living on eBay, just make sure you don't quit your day job. eBay will kick you off, PayPal will kick you off, everyone will screw your business into oblivion if you sell on eBay. I give mad props to anyone that can put up with this crap for more than two months. I'm done.

Use Proxy Server to open a new account?
 

Can i use a proxy server to open an Ebay account? Will ebay know?

HateEbay, yes. You'll be lucky to be able to make an account, and extremely lucky if you can even buy using it.

The It company I use at my day job gave me a site called net switcher has anyone tried this?
He also set up a fancy redirect from my web browser that creates a different reverse look up. I enter an ip address and it brings up ebay's home page, then the reverse look up gives them another domain and ip (different from my ip) does anyone know about this?

VPN drops IP during session...
 

I connected my VPN before going to paypal for a new account setup, and made sure my IP had been updated to the VPN IP (IP Burger - What is my IP Address? Find Your IP Address!). I know the IP changed because I saw it refresh before I went to paypal. Once I was done with the setup, I checked my IP before disconnecting. It had changed back to the original IP.

My VPN never disconnected during the session, so how did my IP change back?

Is this a common occurance?

Does paypal log the login IP, or the logout IP? If logged at login, I should be safe.

Has anyone gotten suspended due to this?

Hi guys! This is my first post on this forum. I've read through the stealth guide(ebook), and read through this post. Anyway, It dosn't really come clear to me why proxies dosn't work.

I'm by know mean any proxy guru or anything like that, however I thought I did knew a little bit :)

Well I do understand if you do use commercial proxy tools, web proxies, or even using proxies which is published in a list on the web, you will most likely get caught.. The reason for this is opbviously because they will get blacklisted. Actually there are some services out there who searches the web for proxies and block them. Companies can buy these services, to indetify users using proxies. I'm not saying eBay is doing this, but maybe.

Anyways, before I go on. There are three types of proxies.

Transparent - Your real IP can easily be detected when using this
Anonymous - Your real IP will not be detected, however the header will be redirected.
Elite - Your IP will not be detected, and the header will not be redirected. It's impossible for your ISP or anyone to know that this is a proxy.

Well you can run a whois http://ws.arin.net/whois/, but it's hard to say anyway.

From what I know(or thought I knew) running through a VPN should be more risky actually. As VPN's runs with IP pools, of for example 250 IP's which is randomly assigned to you. I would belive, if you ware on the same same VPN as many other eBay users, the risk of putting up red flags are even bigger than using elite proxies.

If you are running a static VPN serice, that would be another case. But I would belive that running a proxy(which only you have access to), would pretty much be the same.

So if I use a private elite proxy service, and I get static IP's. And assign one static IP to each eBay account. How can they manage to detect that it's an proxy?

I'm sorry if I should have understood this allready.

Kindly regards

Retry

Vpn's are fine, if no one has been suspended on the vpn ip addresss. Although; vpn, proxy, hidden ip bring much more scrutiny than a "true" dynamic ip.

Sevn

Hi SevnSins and thanks for answering :)

Well first of all, maybe I don't know how your common Internet Services works in the US. I'm from Norway, and Static IP is actually the most used service type.

Anyway. I really don't understand how using elite proxies can raise any flags, as eBay simply can't understand it's a proxy.

Hi All,
I've researched all the archives over ther last few days
on the question of whether using AOL works in masking my real
out-of-country IP addrerss with eBay, PP, Adwords, etc.
For instance, using AOL 9 and checking at IP Address Locator - I occasionally get my true IP but usually get an IP in Los Angeles (not Kansas?)
Does this that when I get the LA IP address THEY are not seeing my true IP? IS there any definitive answer?
Thanks, Steve

I seem to have found the answer to my question above. Signed on to Adwords with AOL 9 through 3G service. IP Address Locator - said I was in LA with a diffrerence IP, but Adwords recognized my location as Mexico and I suppose also read my true IP address.

Now what? A good VPN? Or move back to the states?

Hello,

Based on your previous posts, it appears you know more about proxies than I do. I am simply repeating what others have stated here. I actually use an auction management software to list, and tether my cell phone to my laptop for direct eBay/PayPal access. You should probably try it on a "throw-away" account before committing.

Sevn

I'm still not sure about this. I've had a few stealth accounts over the past half year and using AOL (always with the same real IP) they have never linked them. I just make sure I check the what my IP shows up as before I logon to ebay/paypal because sometimes AOL does seem to screw up and show your real one but that stays the same for the whole time you are on AOL. If you reboot it usually you go through the proxy.

I just want to share my bad experience with proxies. Be AWARE of any kind of proxy especially hide-my-ip.com ... I paid 100$ for 1 year and install this program to hide my ip address well gues what happen all my ebay and my amazon account got suspended because of them. They link me with some other suspended accounts...
BE AWARE!!

Obviously you will get suspended, there are many people using the same ip. I wouldn't be surprised if you get suspended.

Here comes my conclusion for AOL!!!

It sucks. Ebay sees your real IP. I have done a test, and it is easy to do it. Change the password of your ebay account once, and see the email ebay sends you. It states clearly your real IP. So, AOL cannot hide your IP.

BUT! AOL is a good testing tool for other so claimed "hide-you-IP" software. Use aol to visit their website, if they tell your real ip, then you can think of spending some money on it. If they see only the AOL IP, they are rubbish. I have used this to test "hide-your-IP"..... All of them see only AOL ip. So the only solution is to get a VPN. Not sure if this works well.

I use AOL dial up, but I use this old computer for it and just to create new accounts and answer Ebay emails. I use my other computer to list with Auctiva. There is no way AOL can give any other IP than the one it is. This old laptop's hard drive has been reformatted before I installed AOL dial up on it. The only way how they can get me is through the phone line... But, do they really go this far just to see if this is a ⊗⊗⊗⊗ account? I think, NOT.

damn looks like you are right. I wonder how it is being released because all of the "showmyip" type sites I have tried have not been able to see my real one.

please explain. pm me if you don't want to post it here.

I am curious about this too. Please PM me with info as well.

Exellent test with Aol broadband when changing password on Ebay account.
I am trying Aol 7.0 and the same thing happens Ebay sees your original ip address not the Aol address.
It clearly shows in the email from Ebay your ip address(and it ain't Aol's ip).