Corona Virus

[Sunspot144]

They're hoarding gold, and working at flipping the dominant world currency to the Yuan, as well.

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[teedon]

the current important thing is fighting against the virus together,once the virus spread,no body can avoid in the planet.

[Sunspot144]

One of the Koreans did not like Americans. Came here for the education only but wanted to stay after, so idk.

Supplies shipped to S Korea, Iran, teams to Italy, all interest countries.

1000 masks to NY is keeping global face. Trump and masses wouldn't get it.

[james13v]

Originally Posted by teedon

the current important thing is fighting against the virus together,once the virus spread,no body can avoid in the planet.

So far it seems like the average infection rate is 15%. So " no body can avoid it" is a bit off. It's already everywhere, so no one is going to be able to avoid it.

[kinsey]

I live in one of the biggest ag producing counties in the US. Employees are testing positive at the processing plants. Just a reminder to wash your vegetables if your not. That meat processing plant and and all food related businesses are are considered essential.
I don't know anymore. Maybe we should just let people have all the info that's out there and let people do what they are gonna do.
Sales are great for liquor, weed delivery, and the gun stores that are still allowed to be open.

[target1]

Originally Posted by agent006140

thanks for reminding us,I stay away from lettuce and do wash my veggies and I COOK them too well!

Same as I do.

[rsot]

Originally Posted by H4ck

these people going out of their way to donate their blood for free to help those who are seriously ill from covid-19 are foolish.

I would go to the hospital and start to negotiate a price tag for my blood. a nice round figure........

Quite a few of us donate blood regularly - I know you like to rile things up but best not to go into this health domain

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[Sunspot144]

Originally Posted by agent006140

Smithfield closed 2 more pork processing plants.
I am telling you,start hoarding food now ,you dont need toilet paper if you have no food,no input,no output

I guess they'd close due to the virus lasting longer in raw meat? Rest of food supply should be okay overall. News never reports any counter evidence otherwise viewers would relax and stop watching.

[Sunspot144]

Originally Posted by kinsey

Maybe we should just let people have all the info that's out there and let people do what they are gonna do.
Sales are great for liquor, weed delivery, and the gun stores that are still allowed to be open.

Lol, some are having a good time outside in their yards. You'd think nothing has changed except people are just home more.

[Sunspot144]

Decreasing not by much

[rsot]

Originally Posted by Sunspot144

Lol, some are having a good time outside in their yards. You'd think nothing has changed except people are just home more.

All relatively speaking, sadly.

[ukjay]

Originally Posted by agent006140

Smithfield closed 2 more pork processing plants.
I am telling you,start hoarding food now ,you dont need toilet paper if you have no food,no input,no output

I have been since this started and bottled water and pain killers and i have a good seed bank in my fridge.

[james13v]

Originally Posted by Sunspot144

Lol, some are having a good time outside in their yards. You'd think nothing has changed except people are just home more.

GOOD.

I think the logic of the situation can be framed reasonably simply as follows:

1) Given sufficient healthcare capacity the same number of people, roughly, will die if this quarantine ends tomorrow versus if it ends a year from now. Again, sufficient healthcare capacity is the key here. Before anyone jumps on me.

1a) Ventilators are no longer a limiting factor, and we have the highest bed capacity per capita of any country in the world. And hospitals are literally firing staff because there is nothing to do. My Florida governor wants to open things back up, and one of the issues was our healthcare system being destroyed along with everything else, because staff are being fired left and right.

2) A vaccine is unlikely for at least a year, and to develop one at all historically new technology will need to be invented. It amounts to either a cure of, or vaccine for, the common cold, which has never yet been produced despite much effort. The shortest time it has ever taken to produce an effective and safe vaccine was three years, and some take more than twenty years. Putting our eggs in that basket amounts to whimsy and foolishness, although efforts should not be abandoned.

We have, however, established reasonably good protocols with Zithromax, zinc, and hydroxychloroquine. We are unlikely to do better no matter how long we wait.

3) Each and every day this coerced labor lockout continues, the cost in human lives RISES.

There is an immediate cost, in terms of people putting bullets in their brains, driving drunk into trees, and shooting heroin in their veins and never waking up, which would not have happened had these people not been pushed over the edge by government policy.

And there is a longer term cost, in lives lost due to stress. A mere 1% increase in long term unemployment--and I think most observers think the number will be higher than that for a while--causes an overall national increase in mortality from all causes of about 40,000 lives.

4) the logic, therefore, that we are KILLING more and more people, that we are costing more and more lives, each and every day this labor lockout continues is, to my mind, compelling and irrefutable.

These policies are CAUSING death, not preventing it. And they are causing MISERY too, among all those who cannot pay their bills, and will get no money from the government, or not enough, or not soon enough.

5) We are closing our eyes, and thinking if we don't see it, it won't hurt us. It's here, and it's out there. Locking people away only delays the inevitable, and it's only viable when hospital capacity can't handle the strain. It's not long term thinking. It's short term.

The sticking point for most seems to be delusional thinking stuck in the Bargaining phase of grief. They want there to be another answer, where a good number of good people do not die.

There is no such answer. It is not forthcoming. There will be no miracle. We are here on Earth, and on Earth magical thinking does not equate to actual results. And all of us die. This is how the system works. I didn't create it, I am merely recording its operation accurately.

The HUMANE response, then--the ONLY humane response--is to begin opening the national economy up immediately. Anyone who wants to hedge their bets, and phase it, I will support, since that is better than nothing. But the long term effect--the number of deaths from this terrible disease--will be about the same, so my vote is full opening tomorrow.

[ukjay]

Government can do what they please me and my loved one's are not in a big rush to go out and play russian roulette with our lives in for the long haul.Wait an see were this goes that's my play.

[james13v]

Originally Posted by agent006140

I think you are exaggerating the human aspect of this crisis,monetary wise,they are getting some help from the government,altho some think it is not enough.
as for spiritual,psychological,social aspects,most of us have all experienced some ups and downs in our life,some more than others,some are stronger than others,physically and mentally.
Ever heard the saying-fittest survive.
If being shut in at home with a measely check from Uncle and all the free movies we can stream and enough food in the pantry and the phone,light are all working is not good enough,then go to Venezuela and learn to appreciate what we have.

Getting some help from the government? You mean tax payer money, that your grand kids will be paying off. We want to work. People want to work. Not to get hand outs from the government. I am not exaggerating the human aspect of this crisis. This will destroy small business. This will fundamentally change quite a lot of things. Hell, government just ran out of money for small businesses today... GONE. Done.

What a moronic comment to tell me to go to Venezuela, because I want LESS government interference. NO, it's not ****ing good enough to have all those things. No one asked for those things. we want jobs, not free money. It's insane that people are now protesting, because they want jobs, when before people were protesting because they didn't want jobs.

How do you not understand how bad this is for people? We are being put completely at the mercy of the government, and we aren't even allowed to fight it. You know this is America right? This is the wrong country to lock down and take rights away from.

[james13v]

Originally Posted by agent006140

are you saying we should open all the restaurants,hair salon,nail salon,coffee shops,video game parlor,airlines,drycleaners,casinos,banks?
and let us all decide if we think we are just special and would not catch the virus?
Just read an article last night which said there are other damages this virus inflict on its victim-seizure,loss of smell and taste,auditory and visual hallucination,brain damage.
Of course it is still too early to prove the virus causes all these.
But Chinese doctors have reported study of 214 WUhan patients have experienced dizziness,siezures,headaches,loss of sense and smell,muscle weakness,imparied consciousness,what ever that means.
All these are preliminary as we dont know how these patients were treated,is it the virus or the medicine and treatment used?

way to go, strawmanning and slippery sloping me.

How about actually reading my post and responding to what you feel is the problem. I addressed most of it.

You act like we are all children. Let us decide if we think we are special? Again, there is no vaccine. There is no cure. We can not just be locked up for a year. People will get sick. Either now, or a year from now. This virus isn't magically going to go away any time soon. It exists and will continue to do so. It's already everywhere. You won't get it now, but you will probably get it later. You aren't some how going to be extra special a year from now, and not get it, because you hid away from the virus today.

I'm done. you clearly didn't bother reading my post at all.

[james13v]

Originally Posted by ukjay

Government can do what they please me and my loved one's are not in a big rush to go out and play russian roulette with our lives in for the long haul.Wait an see were this goes that's my play.

If this was anywhere near the chances of Russian roulette. fine. It's not tho. That phrase is used for things that are fairly likely to happen. This is not one of them. You risk life any time you leave the house. Things that are more likely to kill you, than this virus, yet we don't shut down the entire world because of them.


How much of a long haul are you prepared for exactly? Until when? What will signal the right time for you to decide it's time to go out?

[james13v]

This, is what Happens in America.

https://news.trust.org/item/20200416145022-vjhiv

https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...ngeance-189809

[ukjay]

Originally Posted by james13v

If this was anywhere near the chances of Russian roulette. fine. It's not tho. That phrase is used for things that are fairly likely to happen. This is not one of them. You risk life any time you leave the house. Things that are more likely to kill you, than this virus, yet we don't shut down the entire world because of them.


How much of a long haul are you prepared for exactly? Until when? What will signal the right time for you to decide it's time to go out?

Look i will do things my way you your's. As for this not being one of the time's ok then m8.Why has the world been shut down over this are you saying you no more than the government's and science don't think so.And when the is a lot more testing been done and the numbers come right down then is a good time to think about getting out.

[james13v]

Originally Posted by ukjay

Look i will do things my way you your's. As for this not being one of the time's ok then m8.Why has the world been shut down over this are you saying you no more than the government's and science don't think so.And when the is a lot more testing been done and the numbers come right down then is a good time to think about getting out.

Yes actually, I am saying that. Because they are doing it all out of fear. Are you saying that Sweden is wrong because they are not locking down? Why? Are they not the government also? How can two governments both be right at the same time? Or maybe, governments can in fact be wrong...

You can do things your way if you want. As long as you don't push the government to force everyone else to do things your way. That's literally what I'm saying here. To let people decide. But you believe the government is right, and they want to lock us down, so they are right in doing the lock down in your eyes.

A lot more testing will not make numbers come down. They are only coming down, because you are literally locking everyone away. You are closing your eyes and pretending it will disappear... The second you unlock things, the numbers will go up again. That's the problem. Everyone claiming it's working, because numbers are going down. That doesn't define working! It only works if a vaccine will happen, or a cure. Otherwise you're just pushing it out for longer. The same amount of people will get sick, whether you open up today, or a year from now, because we don't and won't have an effective way to prevent people from getting it eventually. We can only prevent them from getting it NOW.

And clearly, the science is wrong, as every single one of their estimates has so far proven to be wildly wrong

So, again, how long will you be willing to be locked away? Until food runs out, and you have to riot like Italy? How about when you can't pay your mortgage anymore? Eventually the government will run out of other peoples money.