US Election 2016

[vogeltron]

Originally Posted by MM78

Enjoy!

Great video to bad it is done by a bunch of idiots. Video titled guy eats a Chimichanga over a bag of poop?

When I talk about society getting dumber and dumber this is exactly what I mean.

Pass the Vaporizer Bro!

[exxomscp]

I think people are too emotionally invested in these political candidates to really see what is going on..

There is a truth movement apparent in this election. The more the mainstream media lies and skews, the more it destroys its own credibility; it's just one big control mechanism. This is the same media that "sold" us these fraudulent wars, and now they're trying to repackage and sell us the same old tricks all over again. When they started glorifying the assassination of a political candidate as an actual discussion, including it as a form of "legitimate" protest, that would and should be a red flag to anyone with a mind of their own.

I agree with VOGELTRON on nearly 100% of the posts he's made regarding this topic. Honestly, nobody has said it better.

[MM78]

[vogeltron]

[Haidukken]

Pretty interesting to read your take on school system in Murica, as its totally failing you now.

The problem is... Murica needs to decide on the philosphy of the whole thing, before they start making changes. You need to be able to see the long, not go for a short.
School system will show changes in 100 years time, it literally takes generations for the mentality to shift and people who make decisions today need to take that into account.

The way forward is to have a society that is hard working and intelligent, you can't have a country full of losers that **** and make more losers.

The information is out there and instead of making decisions based on who is behind the name or party, decisions should be made based on facts. Take a look at some of the smaller countries in Scandinavia and see how they do it- Just copy it and wait for it work. Thats literally all you need to do.

Murica thinks they always need to lead the way and innovate, but lately it hasn't really happened, has it? Just take a step back, kill the current system that runs all 300m of you and make changes based on facts and not based on two party system mentality.

[RosieTosie]

True Haidukken, the thing is there will never be a society full of hardworking and well educated people, there will always be losers breeding losers, all over the planet that is how civilisation flourishes. Not everyone can be functioning impeccably, there needs to be middle and lower ground as well. It is ok to have that, we need to have that set up, so that life goes on, there will be changes of course, but basically things that need to stay more or less the same and just plod on will do exactly that.

[Haidukken]

Originally Posted by RosieTosie

True Haidukken, the thing is there will never be a society full of hardworking and well educated people, there will always be losers breeding losers, all over the planet that is how civilisation flourishes. Not everyone can be functioning impeccably, there needs to be middle and lower ground as well. It is ok to have that, we need to have that set up, so that life goes on, there will be changes of course, but basically things that need to stay more or less the same and just plod on will do exactly that.

Nope, I disagree with you.

I can't accept the "oh well, there will be losers" mentality because I'm pretty sure nobody wants to be a loser, correct? Some people just get a super, super **** roll of the dice and as a society we should aim higher than that.
As a society, the whole world needs to abandon the mentality that "some things just are" and perhaps focus solely on how they can change the situation, now how to accept the negatives.

We are amazing, we could be so much more. The bare minimum that we should all aim for is just being a good person- Leave education, money, fame, social status and all the superficial and articifial to one side and just focus on one thing: be a good person.
Start simple and build on it and thats how you breed success, thats how you breed a kind society and thats how you breed a positive, healthy social environment where people motivate eachother.

BUT, we are all chasing that paper, we are all chasing that promotion and we are all in a dire need to be better than someone- To have more, to feel more, to want more to achieve more.

Human nature, perhaps... Most likely...But there are other ways to achieve it all. It doesn't need to be a rat race.

[yankee]

Originally Posted by MM78

So, I am very familiar with most of these things.

Almost ALL of these specific things just takes money out of ordinary peoples income.

Second of all, how he wants to attack the banks and wall street(I am all for personally) drastically cuts or kills people 401K and pensions and again, only effects working middle class.

Adding SS to income brackets that DONT pay SS is just to make dumb people fee good about a ⊗⊗⊗⊗ tax against wealthier people.

I can go on but you get the gist....

[rsot]

Originally Posted by RosieTosie

True Haidukken, the thing is there will never be a society full of hardworking and well educated people, there will always be losers breeding losers, all over the planet that is how civilisation flourishes. Not everyone can be functioning impeccably, there needs to be middle and lower ground as well. It is ok to have that, we need to have that set up, so that life goes on, there will be changes of course, but basically things that need to stay more or less the same and just plod on will do exactly that.

Losers breeding losers - rough notion to fix :(

[GhostOfAmazon]

Originally Posted by RosieTosie

And you think Trump, who yesterday said he could go out on the street pull out a gun and shoot someone and no one would bat an eyelid about it, is a viable option over Hilary for President!! The guy is out to lunch permanently, he thinks building a wall to keep out Muslims is the way forward. Americans need to build a wall alright, around Trump Towers to keep him in and as far away from the Presidency as it's possible to get. America is turning into a laughing stock even considering him, he rants and raves and has been encouraging aggression in his rally supporters then steps back not knowing what to do when they start fighting!

No disrespect but:

1. As a non-US citizen, your opinion on the election is not at all relevant.

2. Trump never talked about building a wall to keep out Muslims....that doesn't make any sense. If you're going to argue, please keep the facts straight.

3. The UK is doing very poorly right now, politically, socially and economically. Heck, you guys can't even decide whether to stay or go from the EU, which is just sucking all your resources. You all are basically socialist for the rest of the world, which is sad.

4. If I, as a white man, went to a "Black Lives Matter" rally, and started holding up signs that were contradictory to their message, what do you think would happen to me? Here's a clue: I'd get the living crap beat out of me, and very likely be shot.

Point being: If you kick a hornets nest, don't get angry and swear and talk about how evil and racist hornets are when you get stung....you're the idiot who stirred up the nest. They aren't going out and seeking to sting you. Don't act like a fool and don't stir up crap.

[GreenBean]

Originally Posted by ilcarletto

Dedicated to GB. Hope she'll be back soon

Mio caro!
Non hai dimenticato il Pinguino de ragazza!

Così bello! Grazie molto!

[JamesNorth101]

Originally Posted by GhostOfAmazon

3. The UK is doing very poorly right now, politically, socially and economically. Heck, you guys can't even decide whether to stay or go from the EU, which is just sucking all your resources. You all are basically socialist for the rest of the world, which is sad.

That is incorrect

We are having a vote to decide if the British public want to stay in the EU or not. Some do and some do not, hence the vote.

Economically and politically we are doing pretty well.

As for socially (and to an extent politically) that is a subjective view.

The one thing that I do have to give Trump credit for and I do like is that he is self funding a lot of his campaign (I know its classed as a loan, but its still coming from his own business). I also like the fact that he is very honest, even if I do not agree with half of it, you at least know what he is thinking.

The wall thing though... Well its pretty daft really and just unlikely to ever happen.

[GhostOfAmazon]

Originally Posted by phaz0rz

You're bulls***ting about the same ideals as Bernie, but how is it financed? If you just hand the bill over to corporate America the price of ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING will go through the roof. Businesses will still have the same bottom line to maintain, but since they would be required to put the masses through college they would be forced to increase revenue somehow..

FYI, I myself was trailer park trash coming up. Lower middle class all the way until I moved out. I graduated from a failing school and went to a crappy public college. But I've managed to find the motivation to do well for myself and my family. How? By not becoming reliant on hand-outs and instead choosing to emulate those around me who I see as "successful."

Vogeltron and yankee are 100% correct. Free college would be just another handout and would sap any motivation school kids have for doing well in grade school.

Where I live 2/3 of people LIVE off of food stamps and/or disability. Families breed children like animals just so the government will give them more food stamps. I worked at a retail food store a few years ago and we had customers come in who would spend $400 in food stamps on high-end seafood, AND STILL HAVE $1200 LEFT ON THEIR CARD. Food stamps are a F**cking failure. Once the government gives a family $1600/month just for having children, nobody in that family will ever work another day in their life.

Handouts destroy motivation, that's the bottom line.

I happened to be working a minimum wage job when the Federal Minimum Wage increased passed. I was a cashier at Dairy Queen. When my pay was bumped from 5.15 an hour to 5.85, I was very excited.

But what happened afterwards surprised me.

While my hourly pay went up, the SAME DAY it took effect, the prices on EVERY SINGLE MENU ITEM increased! This happened twice more, each time after the minimum wage increased, so did the price of food.

At the end of it all, the average items price increased 31% (yes, I did the math! I was fascinated and couldn't believe it!). So while I was getting paid slightly more, as a young man, every other person who went to eat at the restaurant was PAYING more for the same food---the quality and quantity remained stagnant, but the price was much higher.

WHY? Because the owner of the business wasn't just going to give us a raise out of the kindness of his heart. The money came from everyone else. And at the end of the day, guess what? Even I didn't benefit from it, because the prices of almost all food and retail stores increased after the wages increased (I started taking note of prices when I visited other stores after the first wage increase, and compared it after the next ones).

Moral of the story is this: There's no free lunch.

[yankee]

Originally Posted by JamesNorth101

That is incorrect

We are having a vote to decide if the British public want to stay in the EU or not. Some do and some do not, hence the vote.

Economically and politically we are doing pretty well

As for socially, that is a subjective view.

I recently hired a Gentalman from London who relocated to Rhode Island a year ago because of the social aspect. He could not get his kid into a local school because allocations for Muslims(according to him) did not leave enough room for natural born residents. He also claims that the flag is burned in the streets weekly.

The stories are alarmingly similar to some of the recent issues in the USA.

As for currency, I will be buying right before the vote

[GhostOfAmazon]

Originally Posted by EWHendo

That is a terrible idea. It is like the current funding for public schools, where schools that get better standardized test score receive more funding. The squeaky wheel should get the grease. It is absolutely backwards reduce funding for those who need it most and increase funding for those who need it least. This seems like clear evidence that the current government is complicit in the division of the population into super-rich and super-poor.

I truly don't understand how anyone with knowledge of history and government thinks this is a good idea. Ask Louis XIV and the Romanovs how it worked out for them.

I would urge anyone who is against access to education for all people to read up on Thomas Jefferson's views on education. He was truly a brilliant philosopher, and I believe would be horrified by the perversion of the government as it stands.

"I know no safe depositary of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power." --Thomas Jefferson

Define "education".

Is it: Learn how to be a victim 101?

Is it: Feel guilty for what your ancestors did 200 years ago?

Is it: If you're a white, straight male, kill yourself?

Is it: Women should forget having children, and instead enslave themselves to a corporation?

Because that's what colleges are teaching today.

There is no critical thinking taught. It's all a bunch of PC crap, indoctrination. Most grad-students wouldn't have been able to pass Freshman year of Jeffersons day education.

[JamesNorth101]

Originally Posted by yankee

I recently hired a Gentalman from London who relocated to Rhode Island a year ago because of the social aspect. He could not get his kid into a local school because allocations for Muslims(according to him) did not leave enough room for natural born residents. He also claims that the flag is burned in the streets weekly.

Yes London does have issues like that. It mainly in London though and not really as much of an issue across the rest of the UK (although still an issue in other major cities, but very few places in the world done have issues similar to this)

Cannot say I have ever seen a flag burnt though. While I don't ever like flag burning, I would always defends someone freedom of action and freedom of speech (to certain level)

We have a bit of an odd situation in the UK in that our entire economy is so dependent on London. Most countries in the world have a 'second city' that is comparable in size to the largest city (in Germany its 1/2 the size, in France its 1/3 the size, in US its 1/2 the size). In the UK our second city is 1/8th the size of London, which means a lot of the GDP of the UK is London based and driven. It makes these sorts of problems with schooling pop up a lot and London does not get the % of GDP to deal with it as London is subsidising a lot of the other UK cities.

[GhostOfAmazon]

Originally Posted by JamesNorth101

That is incorrect

We are having a vote to decide if the British public want to stay in the EU or not. Some do and some do not, hence the vote.

Economically and politically we are doing pretty well.

As for socially (and to an extent politically) that is a subjective view.

The one thing that I do have to give Trump credit for and I do like is that he is self funding a lot of his campaign (I know its classed as a loan, but its still coming from his own business). I also like the fact that he is very honest, even if I do not agree with half of it, you at least know what he is thinking.

The wall thing though... Well its pretty daft really and just unlikely to ever happen.

This just proves my point.

I get my info from biased media sources, and as a non-citizen, I'm clueless.

The wall most likely will never happen, at least not in physical form. It's what the wall REPRESENTS that matters, not the physical structure. Right now, the US has no borders, literally and metaphorically. That is the real issue, not the wall or lack thereof.

[GhostOfAmazon]

Originally Posted by JamesNorth101

Yes London does have issues like that. It is London though and not really as much of an issue across the rest of the UK (although still an issue in other major cities, but very few places in the world done have issues similar to this)

Cannot say I have ever seen a flag burnt though. While I don't ever like flag burning, I would always defends someone freedom of action and freedom of speech (to certain level)

Freedom of speech, yes, freedom of action, no.

I don't know about the UK, but in the US, we have "hate crimes" which basically makes any normal crime (say, assault) super-charged when done as a "hate crime". Let's just say that Joe Blow, white man, assaults John Doe, white man. Normal crime. Sentenced to 1 year in prison. Now, Joe Blow, instead, assaults Andrew Smith, who is african american. The judge rules that Joe did this out of racism, so instead of 1 year, he gets 5 years in prison, for the SAME CRIME. (These are examples, not actual numbers). Point is, INTENT matters. If we're going to have laws about our race, sexual orientation, gender, etc, we should protect our nationality as well, IMHO.

That said, I think that "hate crimes" should be done away with altogether. If someone attacks me because they hate my race, gender, whatever, it's still the same result: They still will hate me regardless of the punishment, and I'll still be injured regardless of why they did it. So why have different punishments? Anyways, end rant.

[Nookin]

The funniest show on earth!

[JamesNorth101]

Originally Posted by GhostOfAmazon

Right now, the US has no borders, literally and metaphorically. That is the real issue, not the wall or lack thereof.

You have a fence at the moment running across part of the boarder with Mexico

In fairness a lot of countries in the world don't actually have walls marking out their boarders. Its just not practical

Originally Posted by GhostOfAmazon

Freedom of speech, yes, freedom of action, no.

I don't know about the UK, but in the US, we have "hate crimes" which basically makes any normal crime (say, assault) super-charged when done as a "hate crime". Let's just say that Joe Blow, white man, assaults John Doe, white man. Normal crime. Sentenced to 1 year in prison. Now, Joe Blow, instead, assaults Andrew Smith, who is african american. The judge rules that Joe did this out of racism, so instead of 1 year, he gets 5 years in prison, for the SAME CRIME. (These are examples, not actual numbers). Point is, INTENT matters. If we're going to have laws about our race, sexual orientation, gender, etc, we should protect our nationality as well, IMHO.

That said, I think that "hate crimes" should be done away with altogether. If someone attacks me because they hate my race, gender, whatever, it's still the same result: They still will hate me regardless of the punishment, and I'll still be injured regardless of why they did it. So why have different punishments? Anyways, end rant.

Freedom of auction so long as its does not break laws is how I should have phrased that.

We do have limitation on freedom of speech that prevent inciting hatred. Its how we deport quite a lot of the radical clerks in the UK

Mens rea can be in some cases more important than actus reus. I remember reading a US case in which a man was arrested for stealing a handbag and ended up with 20 years in jail (or so) since it was decided he was targeting tourists which made it federal and he really got the book thrown at him for that, very similar to the example you provided above. Intent really does matter and the punishment should reflect the intent.

If person A attacks person B because he does not like his personality then he should get X number of years in jail


If person A attacks person B because he does not like his race/religion ect then he should get more than X number of years in jail because its not just an attack on person B but also on the society in which person B lives. There needs to be (and often is) a harsher punishment for this second attack to differentiate between the 2 types of intent

In the case of the handbag thief it was both a personal attack and a socio-economic attack which is why he got a much much longer sentence. This then prevents (in theory) other want to be muggers from specifically targeting tourists. If it got out that tourists in a certain cities were being targeted this would prevent the tourists from visiting said cities which woudl lead to a decrease in economic prosperity for that area which can potentially have a much wider effect than the initial handbag theft.

[GhostOfAmazon]

Originally Posted by JamesNorth101

You have a fence at the moment running across part of the boarder with Mexico

In fairness a lot of countries in the world don't actually have walls marking out their boarders. Its just not practical

Eh, yeah, we have a half-assed, half built FENCE, on part of the border...that's the REAL joke.

First off, even if it were complete, a simple $20 pair of wire cutters goes right through it. They have those in Mexico, right?

Secondly, it's not finished.

Steel and concrete are a lot harder to break through, especially with 6 feet of foundation.

And finally, most other countries don't have copious amounts of hard drugs flowing through their borders.

But I see your point, regardless. Like I said, what resonates isn't he WALL, it's the philosophy is represents, i.e. BORDERS, and law and order, and most importantly, no free lunch to those who disrespect our country and laws.

Just curious, on your packaging in the UK, what languages are printed?

[JamesNorth101]

I didn't say it was a very good fence

We have English on our packing, and Welsh in Wales as well as English

Speciality foods have other languages Chinese for example.

With Re to the wall. They also sell ladders (and rope as Mr Trump worked out himself mid speech) in Mexico, but I do understand what your saying.