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| agent006140 | 06-23-2019 08:12 AM |
Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
OP has more to be scared of than our contribution to his thread.
Once he uploaded his vendor invoice that he purchased 500 Michael Kors watches from a Canadian seller,for this kind of money ,the cc issuer which decides the outcome would be calling M Kors & Co to verify this Canadian supplier.
If it turns out they have never done business with him,it will contact legal authority to track down his source,probably a factory in China,every one in the pathway could be in trouble,from the factory,to the wholesaler to the reseller and retailer and the payment processor and the sales venues (ebay,wmt,and probably amzn,bonanza,retail stores all over the world).
If the factory can churn out 500 watches in no time,what else is it churning out?
if this buyer of his who ordered 500 MK watches and now want some Cassio watches,if he can move such large number,why is he ordering from some stranger on internet,why cant he find a cheaper source and cut out this middleman?
He insisted on making Paypal payments,he is leaving a trail behind,he may think he is covered by Paypal buyer protection,cc chargeback,but he should have paid with cash instead.
And I dont mean wiretransfer,cahsier check or money order,postal order,I mean Cash cASH .
Lets hope for the best that these are authentic MK watches for OP sake |
| iamlmfao | 06-23-2019 06:57 PM |
Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
The only person in trouble is the owner of the paypal account. Nobody is gonna spend anytime looking for a factory in china cause they will never find it LOL. Obviously they are not auth watches. Because if they were op wouldn't be so worried. Anyways OP. Best thing u should do is tell ur "biz partner" to claim he had no idea what was going on and was hacked or something. But if the money was going to the persons bank account yeah u got some legal issues. Anyways Paypal deserve shiiit like this for allowing retards to complain for 6 months. WHAT A JOKE. |
| topnotchsports | 06-23-2019 07:48 PM |
Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
Quote:
Originally Posted by nickopedia
(Post 1013202)
Isn't Spotify a music service? I listen to it myself with my Echo (Alexa) speaker, but I wasn't aware they did anything financial.
This thread is actually about the OP who sold $62k worth of watches and got charged back on. We were all supposed to give him advise and might have scared him off with the direction this thread as turned. ;)
| He probably meant shopify |
| wrenchsauce | 06-23-2019 08:10 PM |
Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
Quote:
Originally Posted by agent006140
(Post 1013293)
OP has more to be scared of than our contribution to his thread.
Once he uploaded his vendor invoice that he purchased 500 Michael Kors watches from a Canadian seller,for this kind of money ,the cc issuer which decides the outcome would be calling M Kors & Co to verify this Canadian supplier.
If it turns out they have never done business with him,it will contact legal authority to track down his source,probably a factory in China,every one in the pathway could be in trouble,from the factory,to the wholesaler to the reseller and retailer and the payment processor and the sales venues (ebay,wmt,and probably amzn,bonanza,retail stores all over the world).
If the factory can churn out 500 watches in no time,what else is it churning out?
if this buyer of his who ordered 500 MK watches and now want some Cassio watches,if he can move such large number,why is he ordering from some stranger on internet,why cant he find a cheaper source and cut out this middleman?
He insisted on making Paypal payments,he is leaving a trail behind,he may think he is covered by Paypal buyer protection,cc chargeback,but he should have paid with cash instead.
And I dont mean wiretransfer,cahsier check or money order,postal order,I mean Cash cASH .
Lets hope for the best that these are authentic MK watches for OP sake
| LOL paypal aint gonna contact anyone or look for anyone, they are gonna leave the account in the RED and MAYBE go to court. They arent gonna jump through hoops to look for who to blame. They will do what there normal protocol is and it ends there. You have way too much faith in the system. Account owner is gonna foot the bill or paypal will. |
| topnotchsports | 06-23-2019 09:31 PM |
Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
Quote:
Originally Posted by ray
(Post 1012517)
Come on, guys, what did I say to lead you believe that I am selling phakes?
I did not try to scam anyone or lie to anyone here, the buyer came to me and asked me to source him branded watches, my supplier is an authorized reseller for Movado watches that's what I was selling on eBay only, I just don't have any experience with MK and Seiko watches, I bought off these watches from a guy in Canada and resell them to the buyer, I did not make much money as I just wanted to keep the business relationship with the buyer, I am not sure if they are real, so I let the buyer to find out, I have no intention to sell knockoffs to anyone, why people here are so sure about what I was selling?
Anyway, lessons learned, I want to thank you agent006140,there are lots of useful information you've provided, I will try to solve the issue with the buyer without any third party involved and I will send the update here.
Also my business partner not just let me use her information, we set up LLC in the US for PayPal sales taxes, she got 50% in eBay sales profits.
| Lol your joking right? Everything you posted screams "I sell f4ke watches". It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know your not buying 500+ authentic high end watches from "Canada" & flipping them to someone else who is selling them all in a couples months and everyone is able to make profit off of it. |
| nickopedia | 06-24-2019 02:33 AM |
Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
There is a BIG red flag about the OP's story:
If the watches were 100% authentic and he was indeed scammed out of $62,000 as claimed, WHY IN HELL didn't he involve the authorities straight away?
When scammed like this, normal people sure as hell would make a report to law enforcement or complete an Affidavit of Fraud available at any police station, courthouse, or attorney.
Criminals would normally not want to draw attention to themselves, I guess for obvious reasons.
Making a formal Police Report and Fraud Affidavit go a long way to establish credibility to to the OP's case. There is no mention of that anywhere in this thread. |
| agent006140 | 06-24-2019 07:39 AM |
Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
This is not outright theft,the case is pending or was pending ,the issue is authenticity,a he said she said situation which the cc issuer would have to decide,and what is the best way to determine if they are authentic is to call the manufacturer Michael KOrs & Company. |
| agent006140 | 06-24-2019 07:42 AM |
Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
Quote:
Originally Posted by iamlmfao
(Post 1013438)
The only person in trouble is the owner of the paypal account. Nobody is gonna spend anytime looking for a factory in china cause they will never find it LOL. Obviously they are not auth watches. Because if they were op wouldn't be so worried. Anyways OP. Best thing u should do is tell ur "biz partner" to claim he had no idea what was going on and was hacked or something. But if the money was going to the persons bank account yeah u got some legal issues. Anyways Paypal deserve shiiit like this for allowing retards to complain for 6 months. WHAT A JOKE.
| You wanna bet they cant find the factory which churns out these watches?
same with designer handbags,Nike ,Adidas shoes,hoodies and more/ |
| agent006140 | 06-24-2019 07:50 AM |
Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
Quote:
Originally Posted by wrenchsauce
(Post 1013454)
LOL paypal aint gonna contact anyone or look for anyone, they are gonna leave the account in the RED and MAYBE go to court. They arent gonna jump through hoops to look for who to blame. They will do what there normal protocol is and it ends there. You have way too much faith in the system. Account owner is gonna foot the bill or paypal will.
| Chargeback is decide by the buyer's cc issuer,not Paypal/
You lack understanding of intl law on counterfeit branded items. |
| phaz0rz | 06-24-2019 07:59 AM |
Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
Quote:
Originally Posted by agent006140
(Post 1013549)
You wanna bet they cant find the factory which churns out these watches?
same with designer handbags,Nike ,Adidas shoes,hoodies and more/
| Sure they can find the factory.. but they have 0 recourse after that. Those kinds of factories operate with the government's blessing in CN. |
| agent006140 | 06-24-2019 08:05 AM |
Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
not anymore. |
| agent006140 | 06-24-2019 08:07 AM |
Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
Quote:
Originally Posted by topnotchsports
(Post 1013445)
He probably meant shopify
| yes,I mean shopify,some said it is a waste of time to sell there,SOME said it produces results?
Like Bonanza,try to think if I ever sold anything this year? |
| phaz0rz | 06-24-2019 08:37 AM |
Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
Quote:
Originally Posted by agent006140
(Post 1013557)
not anymore.
| Uh, yeah, they do to this day. Chinese bootleg factories are churning out just as much inventory as they always have. They are a revenue stream for the Chinese gov't which also helps to "destabilize the western economy" so China hasn't done anything about them.. other than promote what they're doing within China.
I don't care what you've heard on the news.. absolutely nothing has changed. |
| agent006140 | 06-24-2019 03:46 PM |
Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
Quote:
Originally Posted by phaz0rz
(Post 1013555)
Sure they can find the factory.. but they have 0 recourse after that. Those kinds of factories operate with the government's blessing in CN.
| I have never heard of such government blessing,can you prove it?
Do you work for the Chinese goverment? |
| phaz0rz | 06-25-2019 06:09 AM |
Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
It's common knowledge to anybody who deals with China regularly. I'll try to find a link for you later. |
| rdh4life | 06-25-2019 06:11 AM |
Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
Quote:
Originally Posted by agent006140
(Post 1013100)
if someone sent you a watch instead of a phone,you should open a case of item not as described (not item not received) ,then Ebay 30 days Money back guarantee will send you a shipping label to return the watch with tracking,once delivered,you get your money back and shipping cost will be charged to seller's Ebayseller account.
If non Ebay,then Paypal will make you return the item at your own expense,unless you have applied for free return before purchase.
all these are handled by bots,no need to call anyone.
| well they wouldnt for me i had to go through pp direct |
| phaz0rz | 06-25-2019 06:13 AM |
Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
Quote:
Originally Posted by rdh4life
(Post 1013867)
well they wouldnt for me i had to go through pp direct
| PP has the same coverage as eBay. |
| agent006140 | 06-26-2019 09:12 PM |
Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
What Are the Legal Consequences of Selling Counterfeit Goods?
A person who is caught distributing or manufacturing counterfeit goods could face severe legal penalties under such statutes. The penalties for violating anti-counterfeiting laws can include:
5-10 years in prison
Fines of up to $500,000 (possibly more depending on the case)
In addition, anti-counterfeiting laws allow authorities to seize counterfeit goods, money from the sales, as well as any property that was used in connection with the distribution. This means that authorities may seize vehicles which were used to transport the items, or the machinery that was used to make them.
Lastly, manufacturers and distributors of counterfeit merchandise can also be sued in a private civil lawsuit by the company whose trademark or copyright was infringed upon.
Do I Need a Lawyer for Legal Issues with Counterfeit Goods?
If you are facing criminal charges in connection with counterfeit goods, you may wish to speak with an experienced criminal defense attorney. Your lawyer can advise you on the various trade laws of your state. Or, if you suspect that someone has been counterfeiting your product, you can contact a lawyer |
| agent006140 | 06-26-2019 09:15 PM |
Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
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| Av219 | 06-26-2019 10:19 PM |
Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
nevermindddddddddddd |
| gameplaybooster | 11-01-2019 07:45 AM |
Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
Imagine accepting payment of 60k without using inreversible methoda like check or bitcoin lol.
But either way, if you sold real item and hes scamming you. You should find a lawyer, not only to fight with this case, but sue him for criminal charges that will put him in jail for xouple of years. That would scare some ppl away. Just gotta play dirty and tough to these filth. |
| agent006140 | 11-01-2019 08:28 AM |
Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
This is an old thread,the 60K payment is made not one lump sum,but stretched out in 6 months period.
OP,Ray never come back to update this thread,he is in UK and the paypal account belonged to a partner in UK,she is the one whose Paypal account is socked with $60k charge, |
| agent006140 | 11-01-2019 08:57 AM |
Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
most wholesale orders are conducted via wiretransfer,cashier check or you open an account with them and pay 30 days net with company checks.
This is what happens when individuals try to play wholesalers/retailers not learning the ropes ,a very expensive lesson |
| chicagoIL | 11-01-2019 11:35 AM |
Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
Who buys 500 MK watches (not from your regular supplier) doesn't know if they are real or not and sends one to the buyer expecting the buyer to decide? Who leaves that decision in the buyer's hands when you're talking about 500 pieces and your reputation. Once received, the buyer either knows they are ⊗⊗⊗⊗ and bought anyway and got busted through his buyers or he didn't realize they were ⊗⊗⊗⊗ until someone pointed it out. Quote:
Originally Posted by ray
(Post 1012517)
Come on, guys, what did I say to lead you believe that I am selling phakes?
I did not try to scam anyone or lie to anyone here, the buyer came to me and asked me to source him branded watches, my supplier is an authorized reseller for Movado watches that's what I was selling on eBay only, I just don't have any experience with MK and Seiko watches, I bought off these watches from a guy in Canada and resell them to the buyer, I did not make much money as I just wanted to keep the business relationship with the buyer, I am not sure if they are real, so I let the buyer to find out, I have no intention to sell knockoffs to anyone, why people here are so sure about what I was selling?
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| agent006140 | 11-01-2019 12:45 PM |
Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
there is a market for ⊗⊗⊗⊗ stuff,both buyers and sellers know they are not authentic.
But if you read his threads,his buyer is a retailer and sells on WMT and WMT customers bought and complained.
WMT is selective when it comes to third party sellers,and screened them thoroughly,so his buyer must be an established merchant,why does he have to come online and buy 500 authentic watches from a stranger when he could go to a legit wholesaler or even the designer and place the order? |
| cafonabob | 11-01-2019 01:42 PM |
Re: I owe PayPal $62,000 because of a scammer, please help!
Quote:
Originally Posted by agent006140
(Post 1045726)
why does he have to come online and buy 500 authentic watches from a stranger when he could go to a legit wholesaler or even the designer and place the order?
| Because he can get them for free? |
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