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Wesker 11-28-2019 09:10 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
By the way Icykid298 I appreciate you spending your time to reply to me. Really means alot. Thank you.

Wesker 11-28-2019 09:15 PM

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Wesker 11-28-2019 09:21 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
By the way iwcretreats if you see this message, send me a DM or your contact information. I would like to speak with you about this.

Icykid298 11-29-2019 05:18 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Do you have any clue at all what may have caused this so far

Icykid298 11-29-2019 05:57 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
This also happened to several people back in 2017 on here and they left out a lot of details.

I think it has to do with something you people are selling

rsot 11-29-2019 06:28 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Icykid298 (Post 1052009)
This also happened to several people back in 2017 on here and they left out a lot of details.

I think it has to do with something you people are selling

That is certainly heavily contributive

Wesker 11-29-2019 07:55 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Icykid298 (Post 1052004)
Do you have any clue at all what may have caused this so far

I really don't know to be honest. The memo says AUP Violation Damages so I assume it's to do with the initial violation. However I was never told what specific items I was in violation of. They told me I need to file a subpoena for information on their decision. I never told PayPal what I was selling nor did they even ask me. Also why didn't they fine me right away or before the 180 day deadline? Just randomly just over 1 year after the limitation they took the funds without any notice. I just logged in and the funds were taken. They took all 100% of the funds as well even the cents. They didn't leave a single penny for me to withdrawal.

Also the other account that they took funds out of isn't even me. It's my wifes account. Completely different items we were selling.

These are not shell accounts. The phone numbers are expired and addresses were mail forwarding addresses but everything I believe on the account was accurate.

Wesker 11-29-2019 07:58 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Icykid298 (Post 1052009)
This also happened to several people back in 2017 on here and they left out a lot of details.

I think it has to do with something you people are selling

Can you send me links to these 2017 incidents. How I found this thread was because I google'd

Payment to:Paypal;PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation

This is what it says in the memo. I didn't see any incidents other than recent issues with them on the paypal community pages and on aspkin.

Wesker 11-29-2019 08:02 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
At the top of the transaction receipt which paypal did create a transaction receipt showing the funds were withdrawn to paypal accounts, it does this say:

https://i.imgur.com/z4dwQ92.jpg

There is no link to click on and nothing in the resolution center.

Wesker 11-29-2019 08:04 AM

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It also says this but when you click on it and go to the resolution center, nothing shows up.

https://i.imgur.com/TT2NWOX.jpg

Icykid298 11-29-2019 08:17 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rsot (Post 1052011)
That is certainly heavily contributive

The way this normally works is nobody really gives this any attention/thought at all until it happens to them. It may not be contributive but at least I'm staying in this thread and doing what I can to help

Wesker 11-29-2019 09:33 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1052060)
Paypal reps are active on Paypal seller forum,you may be able to get more information there,or one of them could tell you more!

I may reach out to PayPal but waiting to hear back more from others on this. I have tried in the past to speak to PayPal but got no where. Based on what others said, they tried to contact PayPal about this and they wouldn't tell them anything.

Right now I'm not entirely sure how I am going to proceed with this so just waiting to get in touch with others with this similar issue and brainstorm what to do from there.

Viet Pham 11-29-2019 11:01 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
hi,
I'm from Vietnam. I got that similar situation. Paypal transfer all my $31k with the note that "Paypal's damage cause by acceptable use policy violation".
I provide services to ebay seller and get their profit shared.
My account is said to linked to my older brother account that he got scammed and charged back so his account is negative $10k.
When my account get limitation, I called Paypal rep and he suggested me to write a PoA for them to transfer $10k to my older brother account. I agreed because there is no way to transfer USD from Vietnam to his paypal account.
But they just wipe all my money. I'm collect information to sue them in Singapore. Anybody has any news about this matter, please help because this is really a huge money to me.

Daniel318 11-29-2019 11:08 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1052060)
Paypal reps are active on Paypal seller forum,you may be able to get more information there,or one of them could tell you more!

Does this statement mean that the employees of PayPal who are the representatives of PayPal. These people are active in the forums? And they can be identified? I'm shocked.

Icykid298 11-29-2019 04:12 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1052127)
they will be tagged Paypal rep ,there are a few who frequent Paypal forums.
If your money is removed for POLICY violation,it has nothing to do with your brother's account,2 separate issues here

you don't know that if you ask me the policy is a little obscure I think there's things in the policy that they aren't revealing

Wesker 11-29-2019 05:26 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Viet Pham (Post 1052082)
hi,
I'm from Vietnam. I got that similar situation. Paypal transfer all my $31k with the note that "Paypal's damage cause by acceptable use policy violation".
I provide services to ebay seller and get their profit shared.
My account is said to linked to my older brother account that he got scammed and charged back so his account is negative $10k.
When my account get limitation, I called Paypal rep and he suggested me to write a PoA for them to transfer $10k to my older brother account. I agreed because there is no way to transfer USD from Vietnam to his paypal account.
But they just wipe all my money. I'm collect information to sue them in Singapore. Anybody has any news about this matter, please help because this is really a huge money to me.

Going to direct message you soon here. Same thing happened to me of a higher dollar amount. I plan to add and link everyone who had this problem so we can all talk about this together and figure out what to do here.

In terms of suing them, this is why I told the forum here that I am going to wait a bit before I make a move. Any type of lawsuit against PayPal will be extremely difficult and they also state in their terms of service you agree to take them to arbitration.

It seems more and more cases are piling up now. Nothing we can do short term about this so it's best to strategically do this correctly.

Wesker 11-29-2019 05:31 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Here is what PayPal is doing to us.

https://www.paypal.com/in/webapps/mp...agreement-full

9.7 Acceptable Use Policy Violations. If you violate the Acceptable Use Policy then in addition to the above actions you will be liable to PayPal for the amount of PayPal’s damages for each violation of the Acceptable Use Policy. You agree that $2,500.00 USD (or equivalent) per transaction in violation of the Acceptable Use Policy is presently a reasonable minimum estimate of PayPal’s actual damages considering all currently existing circumstances, including the relationship of the sum to the range of harm to PayPal that reasonably could be anticipated because due to the nature of the violations of the Acceptable Use Policy, actual damages would be impractical or extremely difficult to calculate. PayPal may deduct such damages directly from any existing balance in the offending Account, or any other Account you control.

Wesker 11-29-2019 05:46 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Essentially what is going on now is one or more individuals at PayPal have apparently made the decision to start fining people who previously broke their AUP (Acceptable Use Policy) which as all of you know breaching their AUP could literally be thousands of different things. Anyone at any given moment could be breaking their AUP and PayPal will never tell you how you broke their AUP without a subpoena.

In all cases I have seen so far, PayPal just drains the entire paypal account of all funds. There is no $2,500 fine, they take all 100% of the funds out of your PayPal Account. I assume that's because there is more than 1 transaction so they fine you multiple times until your account is 0 as they say $2,500 per transaction.

So doing the math, if a company had 1000 transactions and violated PayPal AUP Policy at any moment on any PayPal Account linked to you doesn't even have to be under your name but trails back to you, x 2500 they could take $2,500,000 from your PayPal Account if you had $2,500,00 available.

Wesker 11-29-2019 05:47 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
See how ridiculous this is? Very shady business going on right now. I am skeptical if there maybe some fraud going on inside PayPal and it's being covered up. Definitely doesn't seem like a decision PayPal executives would start making jeopardizing their business model that they are a safe company and then on the side abusing their policy and wiping accounts clean for their own gain.

Viet Pham 11-29-2019 06:22 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1052129)
(1) what kind of services do you provide to Ebay sellers to get a cut of their profit,is this the reason why Paypal removed your fund?
(2) your account is linked to your brother account? how?

This is the verbal agreement between us. I have to find a good niche for them. Some of them are dropshipper.
My older brother and I living in one house. I guess PP caught IP so they said 2 accounts are related.

nickopedia 11-30-2019 03:55 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wesker (Post 1052148)
See how ridiculous this is? Very shady business going on right now. I am skeptical if there maybe some fraud going on inside PayPal and it's being covered up. Definitely doesn't seem like a decision PayPal executives would start making jeopardizing their business model that they are a safe company and then on the side abusing their policy and wiping accounts clean for their own gain.

Their ToS is a bit of a catch 22 of sorts.

They know they can take stealthers money and get away with it because those people can't really have vary many, if any legal options.

Wesker 11-30-2019 04:55 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nickopedia (Post 1052286)
Their ToS is a bit of a catch 22 of sorts.

They know they can take stealthers money and get away with it because those people can't really have vary many, if any legal options.

Okay but in my specific case, this isn't a stealth account. Information is accurate, never had to enter a SSN, phone number expired a long time ago and address is an old address but rest is accurate. Information can't be updated after account is limited.

Initial information however is 100% accurate at the time of the account creation.


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