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fiercygoat 12-05-2019 01:35 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Greedy *******s there at Paypal. They are destroying our holidays. For them, amounts in thousands of $$$ is loose change and they don't give a damn. For us, who worked so hard for it, these amounts that are confiscating lately mean a great deal and seeing them vanishing like that is disheartening. Can't wait for Paypal to get the boot by eBay once and for all.

Wesker 12-05-2019 02:33 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fiercygoat (Post 1053238)
Greedy *******s there at Paypal. They are destroying our holidays. For them, amounts in thousands of $$$ is loose change and they don't give a damn. For us, who worked so hard for it, these amounts that are confiscating lately mean a great deal and seeing them vanishing like that is disheartening. Can't wait for Paypal to get the boot by eBay once and for all.

PayPal doesn't care. They are a growing company despite new competition.

https://i.imgur.com/HbiGyn3.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/4zN7ijs.jpg

Wesker 12-05-2019 02:35 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fiercygoat (Post 1053238)
Greedy *******s there at Paypal. They are destroying our holidays. For them, amounts in thousands of $$$ is loose change and they don't give a damn. For us, who worked so hard for it, these amounts that are confiscating lately mean a great deal and seeing them vanishing like that is disheartening. Can't wait for Paypal to get the boot by eBay once and for all.

I sent you a DM as well.

If people would like, we can split the costs and hire a lawfirm to handle this. Wouldn't think it would cost too much. Maybe $3k-$6k total and if it goes to arbitration maybe another $2.5k? Would have to look to see if there are any attorneys who specialize in PayPal cases. I assume we would need to file in the State of California. If a dozen of us join in together, we can reduce the costs heavily.

Per PayPal Policy, we have to take them to arbitration to settle these issues.

fiercygoat 12-05-2019 03:22 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Absolutely. We got to stop this now before it gets out of hand and it becomes the new norm for 180 days paypal suspended accounts. If Paypal sees that nothing is done about it they will do it in a granter scale. Now they're just testing the waters with some accounts but what could prevent them from doing it to almost all suspended accounts instead of releasing the funds?

fiercygoat 12-05-2019 03:37 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wesker (Post 1053247)
I sent you a DM as well.

If people would like, we can split the costs and hire a lawfirm to handle this. Wouldn't think it would cost too much. Maybe $3k-$6k total and if it goes to arbitration maybe another $2.5k? Would have to look to see if there are any attorneys who specialize in PayPal cases. I assume we would need to file in the State of California. If a dozen of us join in together, we can reduce the costs heavily.

Per PayPal Policy, we have to take them to arbitration to settle these issues.

pm your email. I can't respond to pm's or send any before i reach 25 posts

Pandoras_box 12-05-2019 04:43 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tinsoldier (Post 1053080)
DON'T LEAVE MONEY IN A STEALTH PAYPAL ACCOUNT.

How many time does it need to be said FFS.

Good advice but you're going to have to keep saying it until hindsight and foresight are equally 20:20. I doubt 2020 will be that year though. :d

Wesker 12-05-2019 10:20 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandoras_box (Post 1053277)
Good advice but you're going to have to keep saying it until hindsight and foresight are equally 20:20. I doubt 2020 will be that year though. :d

With all due respect here, in my certain case those funds were left in PayPal because we need to pay suppliers. Since our suppliers are international and we use mass pay, funds were left in PayPal because that's how we pay sellers.

My mistake was not withdrawing right away at the 180 day mark.

JimboJim 12-06-2019 06:18 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
I read the user agreement for many countries such as Canada, USA, India and South Africa, and all of them includes the "You acknowledge and agree that $2,500.00 U.S. dollars per violation of the Acceptable Use Policy is presently a reasonable minimum estimate of PayPal's actual damages" in the User Agreement.

However one thing I have noticed that, in the UK User Agreement, it doesn't say anything about any fines of $2,500 USD or £2,500 GBP or €2,500 EUR for each violation of the Acceptable Use Policy. Also checked Germany's User Agreement and couldn't find anything either about a fine for violating the Acceptable Use Policy either.

Do you think the laws are different in the EU & UK that they can't just take money like that from people without actual reason?

Has anyone from the EU or UK got hit with this fine?

All I've seen is people from USA, Canada or Vietnam getting hit with these fines but couldn't find anyone online from UK or EU.

Wesker 12-06-2019 08:01 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Here is yet another case reported on the paypal community pages

https://www.paypal-community.com/t5/...se/m-p/1969217

https://i.imgur.com/ejceno8.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/hyjGpNV.jpg

This member is in Vietnam.

Wesker 12-06-2019 08:08 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JimboJim (Post 1053400)
I read the user agreement for many countries such as Canada, USA, India and South Africa, and all of them includes the "You acknowledge and agree that $2,500.00 U.S. dollars per violation of the Acceptable Use Policy is presently a reasonable minimum estimate of PayPal's actual damages" in the User Agreement.

However one thing I have noticed that, in the UK User Agreement, it doesn't say anything about any fines of $2,500 USD or £2,500 GBP or €2,500 EUR for each violation of the Acceptable Use Policy. Also checked Germany's User Agreement and couldn't find anything either about a fine for violating the Acceptable Use Policy either.

Do you think the laws are different in the EU & UK that they can't just take money like that from people without actual reason?

Has anyone from the EU or UK got hit with this fine?

All I've seen is people from USA, Canada or Vietnam getting hit with these fines but couldn't find anyone online from UK or EU.

It's a small sample size of cases right now. Vietnam doesn't have any exclusive country base terms of service. However as of now no EU based accounts I have seen have had fines like this. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

fiercygoat 12-06-2019 12:50 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wesker (Post 1053412)
Here is yet another case reported on the paypal community pages

https://www.paypal-community.com/t5/...se/m-p/1969217

https://i.imgur.com/ejceno8.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/hyjGpNV.jpg

This member is in Vietnam.


OMG, we must do something about this. It's insane how ruthlessly are taking money away now from Paypal accounts. We have to reunite and fight back. It feels like Paypal had enough with all the Paypal scammers and now are trying to get some kind of revenge. They want to show who's the boss, and enough with playing games and being too nice. They felt like they had become a laughingstock and were too soft all these years, allowing all kinds of scams to go rampant. Too bad for them that now it's kind of too late for them and whatever they do, won't bring back ebay. They lost the game. Ebay doesn't trust them anymore.

BleepBloop 12-06-2019 01:11 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Vietnam and countries that do not have their exclusive TOS listing do have a TOS called, "Other countries". And it does have that provision in it, btw:

"You agree that $2,500.00 USD (or equivalent) per transaction in violation of the Acceptable Use Policy is presently a reasonable minimum estimate of PayPal’s actual damages considering all currently existing circumstances, including the relationship of the sum to the range of harm to PayPal that reasonably could be anticipated because due to the nature of the violations of the Acceptable Use Policy, actual damages would be impractical or extremely difficult to calculate. PayPal may deduct such damages directly from any existing balance in the offending Account, or any other Account you control."

james_112233 12-06-2019 02:49 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Can't get over how much money paypal are just taking away from people. 10k, 20k, 30k, 40k at a time ? insanity. I would fall ill if they just took my money like that.

Wesker 12-06-2019 05:57 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by james_112233 (Post 1053467)
Can't get over how much money paypal are just taking away from people. 10k, 20k, 30k, 40k at a time ? insanity. I would fall ill if they just took my money like that.

Are you also having this same issue?

Wesker 12-06-2019 05:58 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BleepBloop (Post 1053453)
Vietnam and countries that do not have their exclusive TOS listing do have a TOS called, "Other countries". And it does have that provision in it, btw:

"You agree that $2,500.00 USD (or equivalent) per transaction in violation of the Acceptable Use Policy is presently a reasonable minimum estimate of PayPal’s actual damages considering all currently existing circumstances, including the relationship of the sum to the range of harm to PayPal that reasonably could be anticipated because due to the nature of the violations of the Acceptable Use Policy, actual damages would be impractical or extremely difficult to calculate. PayPal may deduct such damages directly from any existing balance in the offending Account, or any other Account you control."

Yes this is what PayPal is doing here. Fining $2500 per transaction.

Essentially they can fine you an unlimited amount of money and drain your entire paypal of all funds.

Viet Pham 12-06-2019 06:50 PM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wesker (Post 1053152)
When was your guys fines? Mine was on Nov 26.

https://www.paypal-community.com/t5/...on/m-p/1968997

This guy was Nov 26.

Wonder if the connection is somebody did this all on Nov 26.

Mine was on 26th Nov as well.

Wesker 12-07-2019 02:23 PM

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JinK 12-08-2019 01:39 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Viet Pham (Post 1053540)
Mine was on 26th Nov as well.

Same you on 26th Nov, 13k$ was transfer to Paypal :argue::ahhhhhh::ahhhhhh:

james_112233 12-08-2019 08:17 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wesker (Post 1053531)
Are you also having this same issue?

No because I try not to keep anything over £200 $300 at any one time. Just enough to cover a refund.

I don't understand why anyone would want to keep thousands at any one time. It's madness. You know your account is created with made up details so it's a pure gamble. Better off putting the money on black or red on roulette.

rsot 12-08-2019 09:11 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Viet Pham (Post 1053540)
Mine was on 26th Nov as well.

Welcome to the forum - all the best as you master stealth :thumb:

ALOHA 12-08-2019 09:38 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wesker (Post 1053068)
Did you have the same issue?

Same issue.
I have 2 account, total ~ 60k USD.

damn it :|

Wesker 12-08-2019 10:29 AM

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ALOHA (Post 1053853)
Same issue.
I have 2 account, total ~ 60k USD.

damn it :|

How do you plan to resolve it?


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