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Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 

I am aware of this as well.

Amazon will freeze your funds if you're a seller. It requires pre arbitration usually to settle this. This didn't happen to me but if you google it there are thousands of cases. There are lawfirms specifically who focus on Amazon cases.

With PayPal, this is unheard of. You're right that they maybe changing their policies and now fining people much like Amazon does.

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Has anybody had this done to them in any other country other than the US ? Looks like a US Paypal problem.

I'm actually shocked by how many people are having tens of thousands stolen by paypal ?

Regardless of what they think we have violated. The CUSTOMER IS HAPPY. So how can they just take ALL of our money like that without even telling us exactly what we have done wrong. We are not robbing anyone. They are making a fee of us. Our customer received what they ordered. Everybody is happy ?

Looks like ebay scrapping them for adyen is hitting their wallet so they need to make their money some other way.

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Mine wasn't a stealth account. Fully under my name and information. Bank Account was under my name. Vietnam guy wasn't a stealth account either. The people on the paypal community page doesn't appear to be stealth accounts either.

I don't think it has anything to do with stealth accounts. PayPal is just fining accounts with large sums of money in it. Cases are being reported daily now.

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Don't think it's the country. Vietnam individual said he lost $31k.

I have yet to see the common reason why it's happening other than every individual has more than $3.5k in their account.

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When was your guys fines? Mine was on Nov 26.

https://www.paypal-community.com/t5/...on/m-p/1968997

This guy was Nov 26.

Wonder if the connection is somebody did this all on Nov 26.

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This is 100% correct but hard to withdrawal it when they limited it. On my end though, I agree I left too much in PayPal trusting the funds would be secure with them. I was wrong. Nobody should store money in PayPal. Get it out as soon as you can.

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Greedy *******s there at Paypal. They are destroying our holidays. For them, amounts in thousands of $$$ is loose change and they don't give a damn. For us, who worked so hard for it, these amounts that are confiscating lately mean a great deal and seeing them vanishing like that is disheartening. Can't wait for Paypal to get the boot by eBay once and for all.

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PayPal doesn't care. They are a growing company despite new competition.

https://i.imgur.com/HbiGyn3.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/4zN7ijs.jpg

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I sent you a DM as well.

If people would like, we can split the costs and hire a lawfirm to handle this. Wouldn't think it would cost too much. Maybe $3k-$6k total and if it goes to arbitration maybe another $2.5k? Would have to look to see if there are any attorneys who specialize in PayPal cases. I assume we would need to file in the State of California. If a dozen of us join in together, we can reduce the costs heavily.

Per PayPal Policy, we have to take them to arbitration to settle these issues.

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Absolutely. We got to stop this now before it gets out of hand and it becomes the new norm for 180 days paypal suspended accounts. If Paypal sees that nothing is done about it they will do it in a granter scale. Now they're just testing the waters with some accounts but what could prevent them from doing it to almost all suspended accounts instead of releasing the funds?

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 

pm your email. I can't respond to pm's or send any before i reach 25 posts

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Good advice but you're going to have to keep saying it until hindsight and foresight are equally 20:20. I doubt 2020 will be that year though. :d

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With all due respect here, in my certain case those funds were left in PayPal because we need to pay suppliers. Since our suppliers are international and we use mass pay, funds were left in PayPal because that's how we pay sellers.

My mistake was not withdrawing right away at the 180 day mark.

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I read the user agreement for many countries such as Canada, USA, India and South Africa, and all of them includes the "You acknowledge and agree that $2,500.00 U.S. dollars per violation of the Acceptable Use Policy is presently a reasonable minimum estimate of PayPal's actual damages" in the User Agreement.

However one thing I have noticed that, in the UK User Agreement, it doesn't say anything about any fines of $2,500 USD or £2,500 GBP or €2,500 EUR for each violation of the Acceptable Use Policy. Also checked Germany's User Agreement and couldn't find anything either about a fine for violating the Acceptable Use Policy either.

Do you think the laws are different in the EU & UK that they can't just take money like that from people without actual reason?

Has anyone from the EU or UK got hit with this fine?

All I've seen is people from USA, Canada or Vietnam getting hit with these fines but couldn't find anyone online from UK or EU.

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Here is yet another case reported on the paypal community pages

https://www.paypal-community.com/t5/...se/m-p/1969217

https://i.imgur.com/ejceno8.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/hyjGpNV.jpg

This member is in Vietnam.

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 

It's a small sample size of cases right now. Vietnam doesn't have any exclusive country base terms of service. However as of now no EU based accounts I have seen have had fines like this. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

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OMG, we must do something about this. It's insane how ruthlessly are taking money away now from Paypal accounts. We have to reunite and fight back. It feels like Paypal had enough with all the Paypal scammers and now are trying to get some kind of revenge. They want to show who's the boss, and enough with playing games and being too nice. They felt like they had become a laughingstock and were too soft all these years, allowing all kinds of scams to go rampant. Too bad for them that now it's kind of too late for them and whatever they do, won't bring back ebay. They lost the game. Ebay doesn't trust them anymore.

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Vietnam and countries that do not have their exclusive TOS listing do have a TOS called, "Other countries". And it does have that provision in it, btw:

"You agree that $2,500.00 USD (or equivalent) per transaction in violation of the Acceptable Use Policy is presently a reasonable minimum estimate of PayPal’s actual damages considering all currently existing circumstances, including the relationship of the sum to the range of harm to PayPal that reasonably could be anticipated because due to the nature of the violations of the Acceptable Use Policy, actual damages would be impractical or extremely difficult to calculate. PayPal may deduct such damages directly from any existing balance in the offending Account, or any other Account you control."

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Can't get over how much money paypal are just taking away from people. 10k, 20k, 30k, 40k at a time ? insanity. I would fall ill if they just took my money like that.

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 

Are you also having this same issue?

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 

Yes this is what PayPal is doing here. Fining $2500 per transaction.

Essentially they can fine you an unlimited amount of money and drain your entire paypal of all funds.

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Mine was on 26th Nov as well.

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https://www.paypal-community.com/t5/...se/m-p/1971981

Another case

https://i.imgur.com/Zngr6cn.jpg

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Same you on 26th Nov, 13k$ was transfer to Paypal :argue::ahhhhhh::ahhhhhh:

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No because I try not to keep anything over £200 $300 at any one time. Just enough to cover a refund.

I don't understand why anyone would want to keep thousands at any one time. It's madness. You know your account is created with made up details so it's a pure gamble. Better off putting the money on black or red on roulette.

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Welcome to the forum - all the best as you master stealth :thumb:

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 

Same issue.
I have 2 account, total ~ 60k USD.

damn it :|

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 

How do you plan to resolve it?

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PayPal have recently been reporting to credit bureaus because their PayPal Credit got bought by a different company. Is it a coincidence that these cases are happening simultaneously? Perhaps because of the acquisition from the other company, they are forcefully taking money from limited accounts to offset all the losses they incurred. PayPal used to not care or do anything about it, but now that another company has their hands in it... Maybe that company is making PayPal be less lenient.

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 

September is when they started doing this.

We aren't sure yet why PayPal is doing this. Obviously something recently changed inside PayPal because they only started doing this in September per reports online.

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 

Has anyone reached out to PayPal about this yet?
Has anyone got any information why PayPal did this other than the memo?

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Yet another case

https://i.imgur.com/IiSOCp4.jpg

https://www.paypal-community.com/t5/...on/m-p/1973826

Re: PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation
 

1. If you don't care, don't post. Problem solved. Others do especially with so much money on the line. I'm posting to build up evidence, provide feedback before we legally arbitrate a case against PayPal which is ultimately where I see this going eventually.

2. You have 0 evidence to support your claim they are running stealth accounts and I have seen no evidence that any of the accounts subject to these fines were stealth accounts. The only information we have is PayPal made these deductions because they were violations of their AUP policy.

Not sure the purpose of you posting this. Derailing the thread with negativity is all you did in your last reply.

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Actually been talking to Amazon seller dispute attorneys about possibly handling this that have helped in the past with Amazon issues on our tangible businesses that we still work actively with Amazon today on. So yes pre arbitration discussions could be a route we go or at least myself if I don't go another direction. Just to be clear, I didn't mean we will take PayPal to arbitration. Obviously if I seek legal counsel over this matter we'd hope to reach a resolution with PayPal before it ever even comes close to arbitration.

Also who is asking people for account details and who are these fellow scammers?

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It's publically available on the paypal community websites. Why can't I screenshot it?

It's simply an idea or proposal if people want to do it. As of now, nobody seems interested except one in the United States which I contacted on the PayPal Community Website.

I don't really know what these others did.

I believe I have been wronged. My accounts are legit with PayPal, I was never told what I breached in the 1st place since I sell hundreds of different items and services it could have been anything. They never let me withdrawal the funds and won't communicate on what this damage fine is about. I tried to appeal during the limitation and just received a generic reply. I moved on because we don't necessarily rely on PayPal for our business. Obviously extremely pissed off here with PayPal for not letting us part ways with them properly and professionally instead just taking our funds without any explanation.

I can cover it myself if need be. It's going to cost a $2.5k retainer and upwards to $10k if it goes to arbitration.

However as of now my plan is just to wait and here what others have done/did before I proceed with anything. I am in no rush to get this resolved, will handle this properly, and something I will end up pursing in 2020.