eBay stealth account experiment

[toml3030]

All accounts made by me with real phone #'s and credit cards and paypal linked bank accounts unless noted otherwise.


Account 1 : Legit information on everything except address, including the correct SS# on paypal registration. Address about 100 miles away from the legit person.

Account limit 10/1000 5 item category limit, paypal limited from adding money, but everything else good. Said would be asking for info to lift limit, but it's been like 2 weeks and they haven't sent a request yet.



Account 2 : All made up info except the address which I have access to, did not provide SS# to paypal

Account limit 10/1000 no category limit paypal 21 day hold



Account 3 : All my real personal info (unlike most people, my first couple eBay accounts were made under someone else's info, so to get around the my eBay banning my account, I opened an account under my real name). Gave EID to paypal.

Account limit 10/1000 5 item category limit paypal 21 day hold


Account 4: All my real info with a variation of my name, different bank account, but nothing that could get tracked down by pulling credit by that name.

Account limit 10/1000 5 item category limit paypal 21 day hold


Account 5: Business account from a legit business name i won from a lawsuit on an address 300 miles away. No bank account given to paypal to link with eBay.

Account limit 10/1000 5 item category limit paypal 21 day hold


The accounts age from 2 weeks to 6 weeks and none of them have been killed yet. Seems like 10/1000 5 item category limit and 21 day paypal hold is what pretty all the new accounts are getting. Will update if people are interested...

[Dmshark25]

So you used same information from banned account??

[Pasicel]

Account 1 : You Used Someone else info with their social?

Account 3 : Used Your Info, Defeats the purpose of stealth

Account 4 : I Hope you're changing IP address & Cookies


I appreciate what you're doing, but you're doing it wrong.
Especially if you're providing real social and still capped at 10/1000 AND already paypal limited.........

[toml3030]

Originally Posted by Dmshark25

So you used same information from banned account??

I made one account with the shipping address of the banned account, but it's with a different suite number and the building has about 50 tenants in it, and I know eBay doesn't go all gung ho on banning addresses if it has multiple accounts from different suite numbers.

[toml3030]

Originally Posted by Pasicel

Account 1 : You Used Someone else info with their social?

Account 3 : Used Your Info, Defeats the purpose of stealth

Account 4 : I Hope you're changing IP address & Cookies


I appreciate what you're doing, but you're doing it wrong.
Especially if you're providing real social and still capped at 10/1000 AND already paypal limited.........

Acct 1: It's my wife and she's never ever had an eBay account. We file joint taxes so I think it's okay. She's okay with it.

Acct 3: I got banned for late shipping time. My products are not the problem so I don't have to worry about them coming after me for VERO issues or anything like that. Basically I'm trying to do a do over as a legit business acct. Since I never had a paypal or ebay acct. under my real name and SS#, my real name IS stealth to them.

Acct 4: Of course!

As for the paypal limited thing, I'm thinking that it's because I gave them too much information. They can pull public records on that and everything they pull up should be legit except the address, and it's one of her work addresses.

[Pasicel]

Yeah, but here's the thing.

Rule #1 is to avoid attaching a social from someone else, regardless if they're OK with it.
There would be no purpose of stealth if all we had to do is attach a social and everything will be OK.

eBay likes to play dirty with peoples life, and they're very good at it.

Acct #3, I guess that's fine

Personally, I would ditch account #1 & I doubt they limited you for providing information they crave for, that account is already heading the wrong way

[Dmshark25]

What's your point in doing all this??? Why not just make stealth accounts, why use your real info??

[toml3030]

Originally Posted by Pasicel

Yeah, but here's the thing.

Rule #1 is to avoid attaching a social from someone else, regardless if they're OK with it.
There would be no purpose of stealth if all we had to do is attach a social and everything will be OK.

Yes, if I was going to keep this under the paypal 200 item/$20K limit I would definitely avoid giving SS#. But because I sell $100-$500 items (the restricted eBay acct did about $200K a year), I know for a fact that at some point I will get hit with a SS# request from paypal, and I figure it's better to do it now rather then when lots of money start hitting the acct.

I guess I'm trying to stay legit while staying under radar, if that makes any sense.

[Dmshark25]

Your trying to reinvent the wheel. There's already a proven method for creating and operating stealth Accounts . What your doing is not stealth if your using real information . I don't understand your experiment in terms of stealth your experiment is a failure, did u even use different IP and user accounts on ur pc??

[toml3030]

Originally Posted by Dmshark25

What's your point in doing all this??? Why not just make stealth accounts, why use your real info??

because I won't be able avoid the paypal SS# request at some point. I have to show a legitimate face to PP so they don't kill my PP account with thousands in it at some point.

[Pasicel]

There's already a method on that, create multiple accounts, 200k in sales, in that case, you'll need 21 stealth accounts. What will happen and always happens, you focus on this one great account, and it's providing great revenue, but oh no. Almighty eBay wants MORE documents, documents that are hard to obtain or can not be obtained at all.

Now you have a limited account, that is no longer able to provide income.
And if you browse around, you'll read stories of others who beg for help and advice on the limited account, but in reality everything you needed from the beginning was here.

[toml3030]

Originally Posted by Dmshark25

Your trying to reinvent the wheel. There's already a proven method for creating and operating stealth Accounts . What your doing is not stealth if your using real information . I don't understand your experiment in terms of stealth your experiment is a failure, did u even use different IP and user accounts on ur pc??

stealth principles, different IP's, different windows user accounts, different addresses, different credit cards, different bank accounts, etc.

[Dmshark25]

What u need to do is forget about the accounts with relatives or any real info and create a new identity if you use the real account you will just ruin that person once ebay cans the account. Use all stealth info and you need to make many accounts since ur average sale is high you need to spread that out a lot

[Pasicel]

Just went into your profile, you were actually one of those people whose account got smashed, you should know how it feels to lose a valuable account.

[toml3030]

Originally Posted by Pasicel

There's already a method on that, create multiple accounts, 200k in sales, in that case, you'll need 21 stealth accounts.

established and you get no sales if you aren't. I can probably break down the sales down to 5 different accounts or so for the risk of getting restricted, even if it costs me some sales, but if I break it down to 20+, I will get pretty close to zero sales.

[toml3030]

Originally Posted by Pasicel

Just went into your profile, you were actually one of those people whose account got smashed, you should know how it feels to lose a valuable account.

RIP eBay Acct #1 2001-2006
RIP eBay Acct #2 2007-2013

You will be missed....

[Dmshark25]

So that's proof there you already know how ebay operates so you need to learn stealth or you will keep repeating the same process of getting **** down, one main principle is to spread out your sales with accounts that are not linked in any way

[vogeltron]

You may be able to pull of using a variation of you name or something like that years down the road. But within a year or so's time forget it.

As much as I advise against using relatives info. If you have a legit business and you wife knows about I can understand that one. I would still advise going the EIN route instead. But you need to really change up the info. Get a UPS Store address, and follow the stealth guide and read all the previous forums on the site.

Overall though the other member are correct you should be building multiple stealth accounts and spreading the sales across them. Even with a legit eBay/PayPal account I still don't feel comfortable putting all my eggs in one basket. eBay is known to pull some stunts and you always need a back up plan.

[GreenBean]

Originally Posted by toml3030

because I won't be able avoid the paypal SS# request at some point. I have to show a legitimate face to PP so they don't kill my PP account with thousands in it at some point.

If you read the forum, you should have noted that an EIN could work in lieu of the SSN.

If your business plan is such that you are expecting thousands of dollars, then you would make a business plan to match

[mercurial333]

Originally Posted by toml3030

Yes, if I was going to keep this under the paypal 200 item/$20K limit I would definitely avoid giving SS#. But because I sell $100-$500 items (the restricted eBay acct did about $200K a year), I know for a fact that at some point I will get hit with a SS# request from paypal, and I figure it's better to do it now rather then when lots of money start hitting the acct.

I guess I'm trying to stay legit while staying under radar, if that makes any sense.

Never provide SSN or EIN until the last moment.

[rsot]

Originally Posted by toml3030

because I won't be able avoid the paypal SS# request at some point. I have to show a legitimate face to PP so they don't kill my PP account with thousands in it at some point.

If you operate well (not too high amounts, not hitting max transaction and $ amounts, not less risky stuff, etc.), it is possible to never be asked for the SSN by paypal

[newjerseymax]

LLC is the way to go imo

Personally I like your experimentation. I find it interesting. Thank you for posting!