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I'm sure someone reported me to the VERO holder. If it was really the VERO holder checking the listings, he would have killed all my accounts. My listings make up about 90% of the listings with those keywords, so they would have seen it. And if they killed the listings with the proof of authenticity, they would have surely killed the ones without too.

There's only 1 other guy selling the same items in the same category. He rarely lists, but I noticed that every time he lists, my listings go down about a day after. So I reported him now, too. We'll see how he reacts when his listings go down too.

rofl......I do the same. I never report my competition because I believe in live and let live. But if you kill me, I'll kill you too. Enough listing pulls will get someone suspended.

vero items removed
 

today I had my account suspended for selling 2 exercise equipments. both veros on a 1 yr old acount with 20 feedbacks. different name, city, state as my other account. the 2nd account I had 475 positives and 6 years old. that account hasn't been logged into over a year. these 2 accounts were suspended within minutes. both in differnt names, different paypal accounts, different address'. I never used the same internet account to access the other. one was accessed using a company pc and the other a person.

what do you think happened there. both items were set with a 750.00 bin.

Sounds like a nasty competitor.:eek:

It truly disturbs me that VERO means anyone can complain...
 

it should, according to EBAY rules, mean that the ones holding the right to the license can complain.

Why would a competitor be able to file a VERO complaint. They have no more rights than you.

I never understand EBAY's rules, and when I ask they are never any help. Oh well.

You know what???
 

I am getting to feel that the questions here sound like an interview.

How would you get around this problem, not because it actually happened to the person, but because they want to know for other purposes?

RBTL.

Did I coin that acronym?

Rochester Broadway Theatre League?

hows exercise equipment vero ?

...thats what i was thinking as well....:confused:

Well, any manufacturer, or heck, anyone at all can join the vero program. They can then have your listing pulled, claiming that item infringed their rights (I am not sure that eBay requires a thorough explanation). All they need is a "good faith belief that the item was infringing". As jscan said though, it's hard to see how vero applies to exercise equipment. However, I agree with ebayaintstupid....this sounds more like a interview than a real case. Why would eBay suspend you for selling a single exercise machine? We need the info that was left out......

If thats the case everything on ebay is vero

Well, I guess just about anything can be counterfeited more or less successfully, so I would assume yes, just about everything can be pulled with a vero NOCI.

Products don't have to be counterfeit to be pulled they might not be licensed to be sold in your country.

Thereby these products are called parallel imports or grey products. Some manufacturers don't like say a us version being sold in the uk and vice versa or asian marketed goods imported in to europe etc.

Not sure the law actually allows them to have those items pulled, not explicitly, anyway. Usually it would need to be civil action (reasonably supported by the law) or a distribution contract. What I mean is that a lot of times companies don't have actually the letter of the law behind them, more like a lot of lawyers & bombastic, threatening language to try to intimidate people.

They do have the legal powers to do it under Trademark law. Microsoft, HP and Cisco have been this doing for years. IT resellers buying kit from asia and selling it in europe is a big problem. Quite a lot has gone to court here in Europe about it. Tesco even went to court as they were bringing in levis jeans from asia and selling them dirt cheap

The products in question may have been made manufactured to comply with the laws and customs of their place of origin, these products or their use may not comply with laws and safety regulations in places where they will be sold ie different power voltages.

Furthermore many companies can state that a warranty is not valid, however many products now have international warranties. What the manufacturers are trying to restrict is products that are being sold cheaply elsewhere in the world from being take to another country whereby the seller makes a killing or simply under cuts those that buy from country specific authorised distributors.

Ok some countries like NZ actually permit parrallel imports and do not enforce these restrictions under Trademark law, but here in europe the fight still goes on especially with electronics and IT products. However fundamentally it boils down to an infringement of the owners intellectual property.

Yes, these companies always bring up "trademarks" when it comes to the heavyweight cases. According to tabberone, they do it because eBay (and I assume most other internet sites) will not help the seller fight a trademark takedown. eBay will refuse to issue a counternotice for trademark violations. But when typing my reply, I was actually referring to the fact that a company doesn't have the right to outright stop you from selling something you bought in the good old U of A, assuming it was a legit item from the get go. Though most of them pretty much do think they have the right.

How come eBay is filled with unlocked iphones then if that's against licensing?

Well, I'm guessing that's because the manufacturer (Apple) is getting the money for the unit, and in the end they don't care. Every other cell phone I know of is unlockable....it might be hard to explain to a court why the iphone should remain locked to AT&T. I think, in this case, that AT&T would be the party with an interest in removing listings, but they probably cannot do it without the authorization of Apple.

Apple seems to be getting on the grey product bandwagon with the iphone as shown here

Apple blocks cheaper UK iPod sales | Channel Register

That's interesting, now they're doing that crap, and over $30 a unit. Now, I dunno what the EU's laws are on grey market items, so it will be interesting to watch, should any of the retailers decide to fight. There was also a story on there that Apple was enjoying a great 2nd quarter due to sale of iphones that were purchased expressly for unlocking :)

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removed listing for using avon broucher pictures... as everyone was doing...started using my own but still removed listings, at least I think that was the problem. so, ok, I call avon, t/w legal who tell me ... that avon does nor want anyone PERIOD selling avon on ebay. I said, well I paid for the item and could not use it.. so what says avon ,you still cannot sell on ebay. Does this mean that if I want to sell my ford, paid for by me, that I cannot do that? I mean can one only sell something one has made??? I do not understand where anyone gets away with telling a person they cannot sell something they own. What am I missing here???
Am I jusr stupid??? or am I the only one who cannot sell avon on ebay... among other items???

the big iritant is looking at 1000 other sellers selling the same things with apparenty no problems??? I am also getting pasranoid!!!!!
Voodoo dolls that`s the answer.

yes that is my point, so eveNtualy nothig but items you personaly make can be sold. nO USED JEANS, SILVERWARE, DISH WEAR TOWELS DRESSES, MAKES NO SENSE.

VERO is not something that one can always get around but there are ways to make your listings and account less visible and likely to come under fire from the VERO rule.

i think you should read the VERO section of this forum thoroughly to get a better understand of ways to avoid the line of fire.

HI: Yes, there are Several Special ways to "loose" the listings...
As a Mattter of fact- I did a search for one of my listings today--and COuldnt find it...LOL
So- Ive been moving 1,2,3 items/week ranging from $200-$600-- SO< I am assuming that they are Hidden from Vero pretty good!!! :)

The most ridiculous VERO ever...
 

About 3 days ago, I listed a few fashion items by Christian Audigier. Fast forwarding to yesterday, they were removed by eBay because the rights holder complained of "trademark violation". I immediately wrote them asking them why it was removed, even though I clearly showed the tags and even the hologram and got a response back within 30 minutes. It basically said that they were aware of my listings, but that no Christian Audigier item may be sold outside their licensed stores. Isn't that the most ridiculous statement ever, if not against the law? So if I get something from them for my birthday, I'm never allowed to sell it again? I'm sure that must be against the law.

After that, I looked around online and it appears there's a huge amount of people complaining about having their legit listings removed. It appears they're especially targeting the current year's fashion items.

List it without the brand name in the title but have a big pic of the tag perhaps? I know it won't sell as well but...

I sold a f@cebook clone script and it was always getting pulled for keyword spamming. So I took out the word f@acbook and put f@mous social networking script and the pic was facebook in huge letters.

Well, that's exactly why they use the "trademark violation" route. That way, eBay won't help you fight it (ie, counter-notice), and if you keep "violating ebay policy", you'll get booted. And yes, what the company told you was ridiculous and without basis in law. There is obviously no law that says "Christian Audigier may not be sold by anyone but a licensed retailer".

thats typical of ebay, it seems that those representing CA are out to get anyone selling there items.

there are heaps of Christian Audigier ⊗⊗⊗⊗ around, probably the reason you was picked on.

some brands are tougher then others when it comes to VERO.

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I've had pretty much the same thing happen, I had a pair of bose headphones that I listed for sale, they were used but still had everything with them even the warranty/registration card that I hadnt bothered to fill out. I pictured all of it in the description, it got yanked in less than an hour and I got an notice saying that Bose Corp had more or less informed ebay I was an unauthorized seller of their products. Which is just ridiculous, if I buy something from them and they get my money for it it should no longer be any of their business what I do with the product.

Thats nothing. I tried to list my used Lexus RX300, but Lexus got the auction pulled.

Wait...a car got VERO'd? Did you import a counterfeit from China or something? :D

They're originals. And Christian Audigier themselves in their emails (from ⊗⊗⊗⊗@donedhardy.com) acknowledged that to me. Its not something I sell usually anyways so I only have 4 of them. After that I have no more of them. I will try and re-list them. If I can't sell them my wife will wear them, no problem. But it just seems ridiculous that you can't re-sell something that you bought.

It is ridiculous, the only thing I can guess is that ebay is one of the only places that will let these companies tell people what they can or can not do with their own property. I guess maybe these companies hope that if they can limit the resale of their items be them used or new that it will push people into their stores and they will get the $$$ from the consumer. Which in my opinion Bose should be content that they got my money and shouldnt care what I do with the product from then on. I hate to tell them but people that might have bought a pair of used headphones for $70 on ebay probably arent going to go to bose and plunk down the $148 for them or they wouldnt be on ebay looking in the first place. I can see them yanking ⊗⊗⊗⊗ items, but to not let people re-sell their own property, cars etc is just ridiculous. And they only do it because ebay allows it. A Lexus Employee would never go to a used car dealership and say "sorry you cant sell that" and Bose isnt going to come to my garage sale and say "hey wait you arent an authorized dealer you are gonna have to keep those earphones you dont want" I think if the FTC looked into all of ebays practices there would be quite the fall out.

I have seen this person with 0 fb and registered less than 30 days ago listed like 6 vero items that are obviously very ⊗⊗⊗⊗ and still has not has his listing pulled yet...go figure

Another thing I have learned here. Do not waste anytime trying to figure out why some other ebayer does not get pulled. BIG waste of time...
wait for "Indiana Jones and the Search for the Ebay Suspenderer". It is a mystery!!!

Need Help and Advice Regarding Vero and the Chase
 

hi,

i sell custom made items on ebay, a couple of days back one my listing got pulled due to trademark violation, after a couple of days i received an email from vero that they need to be compensated, want to see my accounts, want all items in my possession to be sent to them, and undertake i would not list them again.. failing todo so they will appoint litigators to pursue.. the ebay account had false name and address on it.. the email they sent had that false address and name on it which i am sure ebay must have given them.. now first i ignored that email now i got another email today saying not to ignore and comply in return otherwise they will start legal action.. the fact is that item was not even sold so i didnot made any profit.. had not relisted that and it was the first time listed and ebay had pulled it off already... now i am worried if i should reply them by email saying this all or should i just ignore.. any advice? a million thanks

This is more then likely a scare tactic. If you have only ⊗⊗⊗⊗ info on the account then there would be no way for them to take legal action on you. I would just ignore them and see what happens.

I would just ignore them, they have nothing on you.

are you sure the email from Ebay is not a ⊗⊗⊗⊗ or scam. This seems very strong for one pulled listing.....Sounds like to me some scam artist is trying to get your money