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ebaystealth1974 03-18-2020 09:55 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by james13v (Post 1078204)
But by the time you know you're sick, how many people have you infected?

That's why we're shutting shiit down, the prevent the ignorant from inadvertently spreading it to others.

JamesNorth101 03-18-2020 10:03 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by james13v (Post 1078204)
but how do the people that contracted it already, KNOW they did, unless they are the ones with obvious symptoms? People that are sick should probably stay home tho. But by the time you know you're sick, how many people have you infected?

That is why a lot of public spaces are on lockdown because you’re right people don’t necessarily know that they are ill.

It’s why governments are advising people against all but absolutely essential contact with other people Aka social distances

phaz0rz 03-18-2020 10:24 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesNorth101 (Post 1078193)
Being that it’s not an airborne virus you’re much more likely to contract the virus through touching something and then touching your face so the masks will be somewhat limited as a preventative measure.

I agree with you, with the exception of this point.

WHO confirmed on the 16th that covid-19 can go airborne and survive in the air. The mass denial of this fact is confusing to me. It will do more harm than good trying to convince people that direct contact is the only mode of transmission. People should be taking every precaution possible regardless.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/who-...ve-in-air.html

phaz0rz 03-18-2020 10:27 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
In other news, the DOW Jones industrial average is under 20k for the first time since early 2017. Global recession incoming. A 10,000 point loss in a single month is unprecedented.

The forum isn't letting me edit my previous post, but here is another article RE airborne transmission

WHO recommends 'airborne precautions' for coronavirus - NY Post




ebaystealth1974 03-18-2020 10:46 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
"Aerosolization occurs rarely but not never,” said microbiologist and physician Stanley Perlman of the University of Iowa. “You have to distinguish between what’s possible and what’s actually happening.”

phaz0rz 03-18-2020 10:46 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Yeah, ok. And how exactly would he know? That's just some guy with an opinion to me, lol. 6/7 continents having an active pandemic lead me to believe otherwise.

ebaystealth1974 03-18-2020 10:50 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Because the data indicates this is NOT being spread via the air. It would be insane, like the measles. Which IS airborne. And has an R0 of something like 12 or some shiit.

ebaystealth1974 03-18-2020 10:55 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Only in certain, rare environmental scenarios is this being transmitted by air.

ebaystealth1974 03-18-2020 11:01 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
We'd have to also wear safety glasses if this were truly airborne. :(

JamesNorth101 03-18-2020 11:02 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1078208)
I agree with you, with the exception of this point.

WHO confirmed on the 16th that covid-19 can go airborne and survive in the air. The mass denial of this fact is confusing to me. It will do more harm than good trying to convince people that direct contact is the only mode of transmission. People should be taking every precaution possible regardless.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/who-...ve-in-air.html

While it can survive in the air that’s not in dispute here that’s not quite the same is it being completely airborne

It’s not spreading and multiplying in the air like a fully airborne virus would. So yes it’s airborne in the sense that if you go ahead and sneeze on someone else or in proximity to them it could spread from you to them via that method but you couldn’t sneeze in the air and then someone 100 foot away get infected.

I suppose it comes down to terminology but by the strict definition it’s just not an airborne virus

ebaystealth1974 03-18-2020 11:05 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1078214)
That's just some guy with an opinion to me, lol. 6/7 continents having an active pandemic lead me to believe otherwise.

Ahh, nice edit! He appears to be more than just some guy lol

Looks at the data. You can't escape the last part of his quote.

You have to distinguish between what’s possible and what’s actually happening.

It's clear this isn't being greatly transmitted via airborne means.

ebaystealth1974 03-18-2020 11:08 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesNorth101 (Post 1078220)
you couldn’t sneeze in the air and then someone 100 foot away get infected.

Well, they ARE saying in certain situations, it can sometimes remain in the air for a few hours.

But like you say, this clearly isn't happening on anything outside a minuscule scale, and BY DEFINITION, is not an airborne scenario.

phaz0rz 03-18-2020 11:38 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Viruses need hosts to replicate. Has there ever been a virus that can multiply in the air?

Quote:

It's clear this isn't being greatly transmitted via airborne means.
That's certainly not clear to me. 10k+ new cases every day suggest to me airborne transmission is definitely happening on a large scale. Do you think every new infected person was directly sneezed on by another infected person?

JamesNorth101 03-18-2020 11:46 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Poor phrasing from me there...

By all accounts its being spread from direct person to person or from person to object to person contact.

Handshakes, hugs, someone opening a door and then another person coming along and touching the same door handle, ATM machines key pads, picking up a tin of beans in a shop putting it back and then someone else picking it up etc. Its not happening from people sneezing on each other or coughing at each other. There will be some spread through that, but its really a small %. Instead of wearing a mask people are better off wearing gloves and just not touching their face.

ebaystealth1974 03-18-2020 11:49 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1078227)
Viruses need hosts to replicate. Has there ever been a virus that can multiply in the air?



lol wut.......




Quote:

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1078227)



That's certainly not clear to me. 10k+ new cases every day suggest to me airborne transmission is definitely happening on a large scale.

Then you're just not seeing this clearly.

Science says, and daily data shows us all that it's most definitely NOT. Not even close.

ebaystealth1974 03-18-2020 11:50 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Were this airborne, your usage of the word "exponential" would be accurate.

But it's not. Nor is your use of the word.

ebaystealth1974 03-18-2020 11:57 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1078227)
Viruses need hosts to replicate. Has there ever been a virus that can multiply in the air?



Still trying to make sense of this post. A sick person, with ONE COUGH, can expel up to 2 hundred million individual virus particles.

Do you really need multiplication, when one cough puts that much virus into the air?

More proof that this isn't being spread via airborne means. ;)

phaz0rz 03-18-2020 01:32 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
https://i.postimg.cc/gJKZMtmj/daily-deaths-3-17.png

Already over 1k for the 18th. :shocked: Italy is having a very hard time.

Yes this one is from worldometers since the JH site doesn't track deaths.

meanwhile in china..

https://i.postimg.cc/k5gGJMmJ/china-numbers.png

ebaystealth1974 03-18-2020 01:45 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
lol... actually, that chart would now looks like this.


___/\__________

Basturds!

james13v 03-18-2020 01:58 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1078251)
https://i.postimg.cc/gJKZMtmj/daily-deaths-3-17.png

Already over 1k for the 18th. :shocked: Italy is having a very hard time.

Yes this one is from worldometers since the JH site doesn't track deaths.

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italy also has the second largest population per capita of old people, with a society that also looks highly on young people being around old people.

Dufus 03-18-2020 02:43 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
The first infected person in my country was traveling in a bus with 15 other people for 6 hours. No other person was infected. If it was airborne it would be different story.

james13v 03-18-2020 03:07 PM

Re: Supermarkets limit food purchase
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tinsoldier (Post 1078169)
That's simply not true. Why say such rubbish?

media is definitely pushing the idea of rationing. So I can see why some people would jump on the idea.

Some places are in fact rationing ALL items.
Quote:

Sainsbury's announced on Wednesday that it would ration food to ensure it is available to all customers.

Sainsbury CEO Mike Coupe told customers that they'd be limited to three items of products and two items of the most popular products, like milk, toilet paper, and soap.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coro...nic-buy-2020-3

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...eal-with-virus

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ighting-panic/

JamesNorth101 03-18-2020 03:19 PM

Re: Supermarkets limit food purchase
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tinsoldier (Post 1078172)
There's no rationing, some supermarkets are restricting purchase of a handful of 'panic buy' essentials but nothing more than that.

That is rationing no? Even if on a small scale with certain items it’s happening none the less.

It is getting hard to find certain things, even if you go to lots of different shops. I’m sure that will change in time and supply chains catch up

Sunspot144 03-18-2020 03:39 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
If it doesn't last long on inanimate objects one could assume the alternative is airbourne contraction. It's probably a combo of the two all happening in close proximity and fairly quickly. Cough on object or cough on person.

Droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs -CDC

What type of gov would be best for world domination though... ^^

Totalitarian or authoritarian democracy? Totalitarian if everyone was united under the same cause. Authoritarian democracy if they were not... ? :)

(China, my phake government would take over yours and incorporate it under my omniscient regime, been planning this since 2012 damnit!!!! :lol: :p )

https://www.businessinsider.in/thumb...bets-on-it.jpg

Where is the planet headed to anyways. Are we all going to keep our differences and maintain borders until we eventually consume majority of resources, then fight over them? Why not unite... regulate resources and spread them evenly. Pretty socialist but so is trading, don't see other options for a one-world global society :mod:

agent006140 03-18-2020 03:54 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by H4ck (Post 1078281)
I have to let everybody know I have the coronavirus....and I intend to spread the coronavirus through the aspkin forums.....through my messages

i have a slight sore throat, slight fever, and a cough..my dogs also have the cough too so they are infected....

this coronavirus thing is pretty pathetic and sad feels like nothing but a common cold.

I remember when I had the flu and it was 50 times worse.....

DO YOU HAVE A fever over 100 degrees?
Do you feel tired?
Are your lungs functioning normal,do you feel congested?
Some may have problem with kidney?

agent006140 03-18-2020 03:59 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Now SPain has reported over 10,000 cases!

james13v 03-18-2020 04:03 PM

Re: Supermarkets limit food purchase
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesNorth101 (Post 1078276)
That is rationing no? Even if on a small scale with certain items it’s happening none the less.

It is getting hard to find certain things, even if you go to lots of different shops. I’m sure that will change in time and supply chains catch up

He's calling him out for his use of "ALL" in relations to rationing.

ebaystealth1974 03-18-2020 04:15 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by agent006140 (Post 1078284)
DO YOU HAVE A fever over 100 degrees?
Do you feel tired?
Are your lungs functioning normal,do you feel congested?
Some may have problem with kidney?


Are you for real right now? :doh:

sax4 03-18-2020 04:20 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
I'm actually enjoying my days at the moment, despite the Chinavirus

Sales are fine
Instead of the gym, i'm running for a change
I bought a skipping rope for my terrace, doing other exercise looking for some weights
Watching Russian films.
Studying Russian.
Sunbathing
Enjoying the quiet street and clean air.

If it stays like this then it's ok for me for a while, but an Italy type scenario would suck

james13v 03-18-2020 04:35 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ebaystealth1974 (Post 1078294)
Are you for real right now? :doh:

are you new? Of course she is lol

phaz0rz 03-18-2020 06:09 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sunspot144 (Post 1078280)
What type of gov would be best for world domination though... ^^

Anarcho-capitalism is the only correct answer. :thumb:

ebaystealth1974 03-18-2020 06:38 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1078311)
Anarcho-capitalism is the only correct answer. :thumb:



My fellow an-cap! :lol:

Sunspot144 03-18-2020 09:29 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1078311)
Anarcho-capitalism is the only correct answer. :thumb:

My bad - $hitty depressing post

Noice. I'm gonna use my totalitarian regime :d

ebaystealth1974 03-18-2020 09:41 PM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Cheese us! NY has ~3100 cases.

This influx of test kits is gonna kill my nerves haha

997turbo 03-19-2020 05:05 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
China has no new local infections for the first time, after months of lockdowns and quarantine

From CNN's Ben Westcott and Shanshan Wang

https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/di...f396eed786.jpg

A worker disinfects around the No. 7 Hospital, once designated for only coronavirus patients, in Wuhan in central China's Hubei province on Thursday, March 19. The hospital is getting back to be a normal hospital after the last coronavirus patient was transferred away. FeatureChina via AP Images

China has reported no new locally transmitted coronavirus cases for the first time since the the pandemic began, marking a major turning point in the global battle to contain Covid-19.

At a news conference on Thursday morning, officials from China's National Health Commission announced there had been just 34 new cases in the past 24 hours -- all imported from overseas -- and eight new deaths, all in Hubei, the province where the virus was first identified.

There were there no new reported cases in Hubei at all on Wednesday.

Why this matters: The milestone will likely be held up as proof of the ongoing success of China's sweeping, top-down efforts to control the virus, despite persistent allegations that local officials mishandled the initial outbreak. Just last month, mainland China was reporting thousands of new cases every day, and was considered the most high-risk infection area in the world.

In the weeks following the early spread of the virus, the government enacted draconian quarantine measures and strict travel restrictions affecting hundreds of millions of citizens. In some hard-hit cities, residents have been unable to leave their apartments for more than a month, while transport between major population hubs has been limited or halted altogether.

The unprecedented nature of the measures has exacted a steep toll, both on the many millions of ordinary Chinese forced to endure life under lockdown and the country's economy, which has seen a steep decline in recent weeks.

But it has also apparently worked, with zero new local transmissions.

And as the danger has lessened in China, the global infection rate continues to accelerate, with countries across multiple continents now grappling with fast-expanding outbreaks of their own.

997turbo 03-19-2020 05:12 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phaz0rz (Post 1078251)
https://i.postimg.cc/gJKZMtmj/daily-deaths-3-17.png

Already over 1k for the 18th. :shocked: Italy is having a very hard time.

Yes this one is from worldometers since the JH site doesn't track deaths.

meanwhile in china..

https://i.postimg.cc/k5gGJMmJ/china-numbers.png

every country will have this total number curve once it final controlled
china just started 1.5 months earlier, depends on control speed and wave Strength everyone will be like this in the final

you will delete such Nonsense comparative mages months later believe or not mate. I don't wanne speak off too much but on this thing,CHINA NOT LYING.

you will see.

james13v 03-19-2020 06:52 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 997turbo (Post 1078364)
every country will have this total number curve once it final controlled
china just started 1.5 months earlier, depends on control speed and wave Strength everyone will be like this in the final

you will delete such Nonsense comparative mages months later believe or not mate. I don't wanne speak off too much but on this thing,CHINA NOT LYING.

you will see.

this this, THIS time, China is not lying. I swear. lol .

walkingupwards 03-19-2020 07:06 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Lying or not, we all are the victims of this. People should be demanding the origins of this virus investigated. I don't think China has the bio-technology to have made this virus. It has also been theorized that the virus was "sold" to China, if that is the case, the "seller" must be investigated and dealt with --> of course I am day dreaming :-) LOL

This crisis is going be over in the near future and we are not the ones who will be laughing all way to the bank with billions of stolen dollars.


Mark my words, people will forget about this three years from now and amnesia will set in once again without any consequences for the terrorists who pulled this off.

Pandoras_box 03-19-2020 07:25 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by walkingupwards (Post 1078380)
Lying or not, we all are the victims of this. People should be demanding the origins of this virus investigated...


When I get in my banger and say: 'Chinese Virus', the 'snowflakes' 'left' on my windscreen start to melt.
Why do they assume I'm 'right'?

rsot 03-19-2020 07:42 AM

Re: Corona Virus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by james13v (Post 1078375)
this this, THIS time, China is not lying. I swear. lol .

In Corona we trust... :(


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