PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation

[james_112233]

Originally Posted by agent006140

Ebay is phasing out Paypal,someday we will all have to use Ayden.

A new nightmare for stealthers. At this current time I don't know how we will move on to Adyen using our stealth accounts.

[Wesker]

Originally Posted by agent006140

Ebay is phasing out Paypal,someday we will all have to use Ayden.

There are a bunch of Ayden competitors. We're using one of their competitors. Never looked into using Ayden.

[Wesker]

Originally Posted by tinsoldier

You're not going to have much choice on ebay soon.

Search the forum for info, discussed extensively.

Send a link. Don't use ebay, use Amazon but curious.

[Kajunrook]

Again if you would not leave THOUSANDS of dollars in paypal to be taken, you would not be complaining about their AUP? It would be a "cost of doing business" line item on your Profit and Loss statement. It just kills me to read these issues. I have had numerous paypals banned and after the first 3-4 I whereas I had $1500-2000 in them, I learned my lesson. I sweep them weekly. If one of them gets limited, no big deal $200 is not going to bankrupt me. WHEN will you guys/gals learn?

[rsot]

Originally Posted by Kajunrook

Again if you would not leave THOUSANDS of dollars in paypal to be taken, you would not be complaining about their AUP? It would be a "cost of doing business" line item on your Profit and Loss statement. It just kills me to read these issues. I have had numerous paypals banned and after the first 3-4 I whereas I had $1500-2000 in them, I learned my lesson. I sweep them weekly. If one of them gets limited, no big deal $200 is not going to bankrupt me. WHEN will you guys/gals learn?

Tough experience but learned...indeed

[xhanter]

Hi Guys,

I am new to this forum. Paypal just took all my money after 180 days of waiting. And on the memo it says "PayPal's damages caused by Acceptable Use Policy violation" and i believe i didn't violate the policy.

Please help me guys on how i can get back my money that i worked hard for.

[XPinksDude826]

I invite everyone who was AUP fined by PayPal to join my discord server. If you dont have a discord account please create one. We can all talk in here and work together.

Please do join as if we work together we can even form a joint lawsuit. I have a lawyer already helping me so the more people who join in. Then the better it is for all of us

Discord Server link: https://discord.gg/QaBrjsX

[Wesker]

Originally Posted by Messy52312

I invite everyone who was AUP fined by PayPal to join my discord server. If you dont have a discord account please create one. We can all talk in here and work together.

Please do join as if we work together we can even form a joint lawsuit. I have a lawyer already helping me so the more people who join in. Then the better it is for all of us

Discord Server link: https://discord.gg/QaBrjsX

Was considering doing a discord channel as well. Glad you made one.

Joined.

[XPinksDude826]

Im just letting everyone know that the EU side of Paypal had no policy saying that you can get fined for violating the acceptable use policy. Thats until December 11th there was an update to Paypal acceptable use policy stating that now you are liable for damages.

This means all of Europe can be fined too.

[notopp]

I also had a large amount taken by PayPal last week after 178 days of patiently waiting. We have a subpoena being written up now demanding information on what is going on. Wondering has anyone took action yet with a response or result?

[Wesker]

Originally Posted by notopp

I also had a large amount taken by PayPal last week after 178 days of patiently waiting. We have a subpoena being written up now demanding information on what is going on. Wondering has anyone took action yet with a response or result?

Yes. PayPal responded saying they require a subpoena before they provide any information. We're currently in the process of grouping up with one law firm to handle our cases.

Discord Server link: https://discord.gg/QaBrjsX

[Wesker]

That's 3 accounts reported now that Paypal took $200k-$300k each one. No doubt PayPal has taken millions of dollars at this point.

[rsot]

Originally Posted by notopp

I also had a large amount taken by PayPal last week after 178 days of patiently waiting. We have a subpoena being written up now demanding information on what is going on. Wondering has anyone took action yet with a response or result?

Welcome to the forum - all the best as you master stealth

[Augus]

Originally Posted by MKT

You are wrong, you can tell your bank about online gateways and they will give you access to it to receive payments internationally. We use PayPal because it's the only "popular" payment gateway that people trust and use and this will be as long as there is no strong and efficient alternative. E.g: Skrill is way worse than PayPal.

In which way are you saying that Skrill is worse than PayPal? I was considering start using it. What is your personal experience with it or why do you say it is worse? (Have you got funds stolen, account limited/banned or something like that?

[Wesker]

Originally Posted by Augus

In which way are you saying that Skrill is worse than PayPal? I was considering start using it. What is your personal experience with it or why do you say it is worse? (Have you got funds stolen, account limited/banned or something like that?

It's not. Skrill is far better than PayPal.

[Augus]

Originally Posted by Wesker

It's not. Skrill is far better than PayPal.

That was my thinking as well, but his post left me wondering. Maybe he had some specific account issue himself?

I've requested my first Skrill withdrawal today, so I'll see how it goes. My account is in USD but it sucks the conversion fee from EUR before transfering to my USD bank accout.

Also, I was having issues withdrawing from PayPal as well this morning. Usually when I get the "Contact customer service" message when trying to withdraw, all I do is call them and then they send me an SMS with a code that I need to validate with them. This happened today but I still wasn't able to withdraw after validating with this code so for the first time a Customer Service representative asked me to wait "4 hours" and then try again. He told me that that was the amount of time their "system" was telling them that I needed to wait. Hopefully I can after these 4 hours.

After reading all of your stories in this thread I've been extremely scared and skeptical so I've been withdrawing almost every other day.

[MKT]

Originally Posted by Augus

In which way are you saying that Skrill is worse than PayPal? I was considering start using it. What is your personal experience with it or why do you say it is worse? (Have you got funds stolen, account limited/banned or something like that?

They did the same thing to me like 5 years ago (took my money and no explanation when I received some affiliate earnings), they could have changed but when I used them they were really really bad.

[Wesker]

Originally Posted by Augus

That was my thinking as well, but his post left me wondering. Maybe he had some specific account issue himself?

I've requested my first Skrill withdrawal today, so I'll see how it goes. My account is in USD but it sucks the conversion fee from EUR before transfering to my USD bank accout.

Also, I was having issues withdrawing from PayPal as well this morning. Usually when I get the "Contact customer service" message when trying to withdraw, all I do is call them and then they send me an SMS with a code that I need to validate with them. This happened today but I still wasn't able to withdraw after validating with this code so for the first time a Customer Service representative asked me to wait "4 hours" and then try again. He told me that that was the amount of time their "system" was telling them that I needed to wait. Hopefully I can after these 4 hours.

After reading all of your stories in this thread I've been extremely scared and skeptical so I've been withdrawing almost every other day.

I have a dedicated account manager at Skrill and have ties with people high up at Skrill. Been with them for 14 years since the beginning. If you run into any problems with Skrill, DM me and I'll forward them your issue.

[Wesker]

Originally Posted by agent006140

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PayPal Acceptable Use Policy
Last Update: 19 July 2018

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You are independently responsible for complying with all applicable laws in all of your actions related to your use of PayPal's services, regardless of the purpose of the use. In addition, you must adhere to the terms of this Acceptable Use Policy.

Prohibited Activities
You may not use the PayPal service for activities that:

violate any law, statute, ordinance or regulation.
relate to transactions involving (a) narcotics
, steroids, certain controlled substances or other products that present a risk to consumer safety, (b) drug paraphernalia, (c) cigarettes, (d) items that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity, (e) stolen goods including digital and virtual goods, (f)the promotion of hate, violence, racial or other forms of discriminatory intolerance or the financial exploitation of a crime, (g) items that are considered obscene, (h) items that infringe or violate any copyright, trademark, right of publicity or privacy or any other proprietary right under the laws of any jurisdiction, (i) certain sexually oriented materials or services, (j) ammunition, firearms, or certain firearm parts or accessories, or (k) certain weapons or knives regulated under applicable law.
relate to transactions that (a) show the personal information of third parties in violation of applicable law, (b) support pyramid or ponzi schemes, matrix programs, other "get rich quick" schemes or certain multi-level marketing programs, (c) are associated with purchases of annuities or lottery contracts, lay-away systems, off-shore banking or transactions to finance or refinance debts funded by a credit card, (d) are for the sale of certain items before the seller has control or possession of the item, (e) are by payment processors to collect payments on behalf of merchants, (f) are associated with the sale of traveller's cheques or money orders, (h) involve currency exchanges or cheque cashing businesses, (i) involve certain credit repair, debt settlement services, credit transactions or insurance activities, or (j) involve offering or receiving payments for the purpose of bribery or corruption.
involve the sales of products or services identified by government agencies to have a high likelihood of being fraudulent.

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PayPal requires pre-approval to accept payments for certain services as detailed in the chart below.

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Airlines and scheduled or non-scheduled charters/jets/air taxi operators; collecting donations as a charity or non-profit organisation; dealing in jewels, precious metals and stones; acting as a money transmitter or selling stored value cards; selling stocks, bonds, securities, options, futures (forex) or an investment interest in any entity or property; or providing escrow services.

Please send contact information, business website URL and a brief business summary to compliance@paypal.com

Providing file sharing services or access to newsgroups; or selling alcoholic beverages, non-cigarette tobacco products, e-cigarettes or prescription drugs/devices.

Please send contact information, business website URL and brief business summary to aup@paypal.com

Activities involving gambling, gaming and/or any other activity with an entry fee and a prize, including, but not limited to casino games, sports betting, horse or greyhound racing, fantasy sports, lottery tickets, other ventures that facilitate gambling, games of skill (whether or not legally defined as gambling) and sweepstakes, if the operator and customers are located exclusively in jurisdictions where such activities are permitted by law.

Please send contact information, business website URL and brief business summary to aup@paypal.com


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Violations of the Acceptable Use Policy
We encourage you to report violations of this Acceptable Use Policy to PayPal immediately. If you have a question about whether a type of transaction may violate the Acceptable Use Policy, you can email PayPal's AUP Compliance Department at: aupviolations@paypal.com.

The AUP is very broad. Half of people who use paypal have probably breached their AUP at one point. PayPal has 300 million users. Are they going to fine damages against 150 million users and take 100% of what is in their PayPal Account? Imagine if a bank in the US did this. They would not only have to repay everyone but pay damages.

[Wesker]

Originally Posted by tinsoldier

Given the overwhelming majority are ebay buyers, many who don't sell in any capacity, I'd say the number is less than 0.1%.

Ironically only 25 million are ebay sellers. Less than 10%. I mean as a buyer if you buy 1 item against their AUP, you could essentially have your account closed and be fined. That's where I got the 50% number from. Lets say the number is 10%, not 50%, still that is 30 million accounts PayPal is going to fine eventually?

The entire thing is simply corporate greed. They're exploiting people. It's one thing to do a small fine and hold the funds x period of days to protect themselves but to take 100% of the funds they're destroying peoples livelyhoods all to boost their corporate profits. I generally feel bad for the people who depend on PayPal and now screwed over because of them.

[Wesker]

Another $34k case here - https://www.aspkin.com/forums/paypal...lp-please.html

[Ashley1010]

Originally Posted by Wesker

The AUP is very broad. Half of people who use paypal have probably breached their AUP at one point. PayPal has 300 million users. Are they going to fine damages against 150 million users and take 100% of what is in their PayPal Account? Imagine if a bank in the US did this. They would not only have to repay everyone but pay damages.

Update: I just had my demand letter sent out- my layer is one of the best in MA- her words when I told her about the $2.5k fine for any item then deem “violates” AUP policy and how what if because I got 10pairs leggings and resold for 2x the price back in 2017 if they could use that against me as “flipping” when it wasn’t; With Lularoe some clothes don’t fit the same and I tried to cost coverage for fees etc. anyway- her response was “So they get to steal all your money because you didn’t read every fine print?!” — what they are doing is illegal- period. If they were to take fines it should have been done immediately if there’s a chargeback or return THEY can cover it since sellers really have NO say. Only 1 chargeback EVER and I won- yet they still credited the customer! Tried to charge me $20 AFTER I won and had to contact them for their “mistake.”

I’m fighting to get my 7.3k back- sold lots of small priced items- spent so much on shipping itself that I’m loosing more like 10k here. I’m fighting- and also can’t figure out why they have it as an “open case.” Does anyone know why that is yet???