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It definitely is, but I was referring to the moaners on ebay forums..

Some of those guys look to make 50p a sale....spend all day packing letters for make £30.

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that sounds superb!

I would love to have something like that on the go.

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I signed up for managed payment last week.. yesterday got email saying ‘We can't verify the info you provided, please review’. Does the address provide on eBay have to be same as ur bank?

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No, the ebay account still has my accountants address. But during the MP registration I gave them my real (previously banned) address as visible on my bank statement and that's the address of the director (me).

I'm confident one way or another I will be able to salvage atleast 1 account. But unfortunately I need at least 4 accounts just because of the different items I sell. I can't push everything through one account.

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Thanks for this, good to know.

So change names to match, leave address as stealth, and then submit genuine details through the MP portal.

This is the route I am taking.

I have to utilise friends for my other three accounts, so I am paying out a little profits to 'rent' their bank accounts so to speak.

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What do you think will happen to the multiple stealth accounts concept

With this Managed payment system coming in do you guys reckon will be able to have 10 eBay accounts or not

Also let’s look for alternatives of eBay

Any other alternatives

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Alternatively, what happens should we transition those other stealths to our real details as well rather than getting friends & family involved ...

All accounts would be linked BUT ebay are OK with one person having multiple accounts.

It's unknown territory but a risk I will be taking with atleast 1 other account.

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Its definitely an alternative option, although I feel it does raise the risk of having a complete shut down of all accounts if one is linked to the original banned one.

Potentially this is a good option if using a person who has not been banned before, so I might try two accounts to one person to lower number of others involved.

The thing with eBays 'multiple accounts' thing is vague. On one hand they say, yes its fine as long as you don't sell the same items, on the other hand they allow millions of companies to sell all the same items on multiple accounts, without even basic differences like the Chinese do (different pictures etc), so I would always be nervous about that.

Plus this may then also affect the VAT threshold, where eBay block you until you apply for VAT. This is one of the reasons I run multiples, even though I did find a way around the VAT blocking last year, but was a troublesome time for a few weeks.

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Not entirely the whole reason why they made need alternative accounts, but I do agree, this will stop the fast buck turn and burn sellers, which can often lose genuine sales to non hooky sellers, in my market , this is a big thing.

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What brought about managed payments

I remember hearing about it in 2017/2018 but I also heard it was due to come 2023

Why are they doing this all of a sudden, any ideas chaps

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Old mother eBay gonna be taking that moola in the grave as well

In terms of impact this has to be negative for them, they’re becoming too greedy - greed has always lead to destruction historically

Old momma eBay don’t even wanna let us impoverished types have a last drink from the nipple

Putting our sorry asses on to that powdered crap MP

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Ebay want to play in the same game as Amazon and Etsy

Since the split from Paypal it could be argued that they are not as efficient as the rest of the market as they rely on a 3rd party payment processor

When Etsy, a relative upstart compared to Ebay, dropped Paypal they showed the way to increase the control they had over their marketplace and increase their profits

I do not believe stealthers even appeared in the discussions. Much as we may like to big up our own importancs we are collectively little more than a pimple to be scratched as far as Ebay is concerned

There is also the matter of security

The type of operation that required lots of Ebay accounts that were getting burned or were dealing 'unauthorised' lookee lickie items and suspect digital downloads will now be a thing of the past

It may well be that the market in stealth acvounts will also disappear. There is no real market in Amazon or Etsy accounts

That is not to say that Ebay stealth will disappear, there will always be a need and where there is a need a market place will develop

Whether or not it will be legal is a seperate matter but people will always finf a way

There are already several ways but their legality is suspect and the costs will be high

Ebay will live with the fact that some will get through their security screen

The real loosers will be the scammers with their 20+ accounts dealing what Ebay do not want

I think Ebay will be safer for Joe Public and MAY get some credibility back

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I hope so.

In regards to scammers, they find it easier to just hijack established accounts now and ask for payment by BACS. If they hijack the right account with thousands of feedback / powerseller status, LOTS and LOTS of people fall for the trap.

Long gone are the days of new stealth accounts listing items for sale that they don't have hoping to do a runner with the money.

Ebay and paypal prevented that with payment holds.

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Etsy do not have these problems so it is illogical to think Ebay will

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Did you sort this?
Anyone else know if the address on your eBay has to match your actual address?
Will the ayden check see if you are actually registered at another address?

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Of course the address needs to match, they are verifying it through name, DOB, address as a credit/electroal roll soft search. Try applying for a credit card with hooky details and see how far you get!

If it dosent match on MP, they will request either a bank statement, or ID, or both, and the jury is still out whether Stealth ID works or not.

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In the UK, things will be different. This is a UK thread.

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So you can’t have your address on eBay as your business address or what you would want buyers to see under sellers legal info. But for managed payments check you use your actual residential address?

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Do we know this for certain? Reason I ask is that I haven't seen an example of them asking for proof of address, you can use passport as ID which doesn't have your address and for the bank statement in the list of "things that must be visible" address is not one of them which makes me think ebay don't care about the address.

Surely if the soft search throws up an error on the address they would ask for proof of address? I guess maybe they will and we will find out after July 15th

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Yes you can, but when you enter your MP details, you have to use your genuine address. Thats pretty much the evidence we have been shown over the various attempts people have tried. It's essentially were you, as a human, are registered to, i,e living.

You dont 'need' to use it, but it will flag for ID as it won't pass the soft credit check.

We still don't know the success rate (if any) of Stealth ID.

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From what I have seen, it's not that specific.

If you look at the Ayden ID process, it gives some of the info away.

https://docs.adyen.com/marketpay/onb...d-verification

But essentially it will boil down to Stealth ID being accepted, and no one knows yet, or indeed if they do know, they aren't sharing.

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I've registered with real name (real ID) but ⊗⊗⊗⊗ address

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Doc talk isn’t allowed in the forum so it won’t get discussed in this section.

If you try reading a few posts without your tinted glasses and pre-assumptions though you may find a few answers to that questions

Only one question remains about MP. Where will the refunds come from. That is the only sticking point left for UK eBay MP

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Lol, have you been deleting the posts that say if something will or will not work?

There has been no current answers to that question yet, however from the information provided, imo, it wont work whatsoever. So that sucks for your account sales, I can see why you want to keep the info sheilded.

The refunds have a couple of options, direct bank pull, reduction on the days 'payout' (either of these are likely) or a credit/debit/paypal etc. That will show in due course.

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Did you get a Bank statement request, or a Bank Statement and ID request? the latter may come later from what I have seen.

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This is exactly why I don’t ever bother trying to help you

Meh. You can either start reading things without all your know it all attitude and actually learn something because there are things to be learned, or you can just continue down the road you’re going. It really doesn’t affect me a great deal either way :thumb:

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I hope James is north - he probably is

Because If things go south then there’s trouble for majority of us

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Your making a point

Where’s the proof that ID’s won’t work

And where’s the proof mismatched names won’t work

Kindly show us if you’ve attempted and it’s failed

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You're missing the point of the comment. It's not a 'point', it's an opinion based on anecdotal evidence.

If you haven't read through all these threads, and analysed all the commentary from the various users on the subjects, then I am not going to lay it out on a plate for you. As has been said, we 'cant talk about it'.

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There are always things to be learned, from birth to death, however you havent actually contributed anything so far really, other than mention you like to keep it in 'secret' through PM's. The last time I paid for help from you took 3-4 weeks of a royal PITA debarcle without even an apologu, so I'm perfectly cool just chatting through the subject with everyone and pooling whatever info we have sourced.

Everyone has a right to accept, or not, whatever comments are made.

It's clear you have a personal vendetta, so I accept I have fallen to your level, and voiced my annoyances in a personally directed manner. I am happy just to leave it there at this point.

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Fair enough chap

But the anecdotal evidence I’ve read some of it also, these same guys giving this stories are the ones who enter the PayPal confirmation code wrong when adding banks or something silly like that

So I’d take there MP stories with a grain of salt also

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Always take everything with a grain of salt, especially on a forum like this! But essentially, those of us with the deadline have been forced into making a call on it, so we have to analyse what info is currently available and make a play.

What JN is saying is that without knowing how refunds are processed, even if a Stealth MP manages to make it, the refund being pulled from a mismatched name on the bank could kill it.

But we dont know this info till its all up and running. eBays Trust and Safety team along with Ayden have been vague with info for reasons..

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Yep that sums it up. That is the only thing that we are not sure about right now.

Even the eBay reps are not sure. Nothing new there though

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Yep - the really important bit here will be what happens when the MP balance is 0. Will eBay issue the refund themselves and then take it from your next pay out or will they try to take it from the bank account right away, or can the prefer refund method be a CC (or VCC)?

Best case is eBay issue the refund and then just take it from the next disbursement. Second best is if users can have a CC or VCC as the prefered refund method and eBay takes it from that directly if there is not enough MP balance to cover it.

Worst case - they take it directly from the bank account via DD - This is the only one that presents an issue as to how easy MP stealth will be. The rest of MP at the moment is not an issue

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On Etsy the refund comes off my Amex ...

I presume you can choose credit card and it doesn't have to come out of your bank.